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Lets get this straight, the argument now is that if Azertyuiop had run the race he ran at Exeter he would have won at Sandown? Ridiculous.<br>If you need to protect the integrity of your precious ratings why don’t you go back and downgrade your assessment of Exeter? Because you can stand on your head and look at it any way you want but Moscow Flyer is a better horse than Azertyuiop and any ratings that don’t reflect this are nonsense.
Ratings are part of the fun for me. They aren’t wholly reliable and can also be misleading but I enjoy it as part of horse racing.
Today’s race doesn’t confirm that Moscow Flyer is a better horse than Azertyuiop to me. It confirms he’s better at Sandown but it doesn’t make him unbeatable against Azertyuiop.
I think tracking Moscow Flyer and trying to pass him 2 or 3 out is leaving it a bit late. Moscow Flyer has the stamina to keep going and is strong on any run-in it seems. Azertyuiop could do with going past him earlier in the race and making it tactical. Even then Moscow Flyer will have the stamina to make ground on the run-in but I think it would give Azertyuiop a better chance.
Well Chief has run really well and, like I said, I’m not sure Sandown is as comfortable for him as Cheltenham.
I don’t agree that putting Azertyuiop ahead of Moscow Flyer on their overall career ratings is nonsense. But that doesn’t mean that, when they meet, Azertyuiop is a better horse – just means he’s gained a higher rating against other opposition (in handicaps in this case and those ratings don’t neccessarily transfer to level weights races).
Rob.
On today’s evidence, in reply to the original post, the answer is NO.
He certainly looks as if he should be and come March, the answer may be YES.
Colin
there is only one figure that matter’s
<br>1 sorry that should be 2– 0
that is
<br> 3m 52.20s (slow by 0.20s) but that one does<br> <br>i’m not a handicapper,but i think it has something to do with using "yardstick’s when handicapping a horse
(Edited by empty wallet at 12:59 am on Dec. 5, 2004)
I think Robgomm hit the nail on the head, I think Azertyuiop was more prominent in Cheltenham and actually went past Mosocw down the back straight. I think when they both meet in Cheltenham Azertyuiop will make it 2-2.
the clock does not lie
best topspeed figures
moscow flyer 162 1st<br>azertyuiop 161 2nd<br>wellcheif 160 3rd
<br>lesson over goodbye
IMO its quite possible that Cheltenham suits Azertyuiop better than Sandown but I think for me the deciding factor come Chelts would be the ground, with good spring ground nothing would get Moscow off the bridle he has such a cruising speed, on softer ground though I wouldn’t be so sure, he’s always looked much better on quicker ground.
This thread is astonishing. It’s packed full of debate about what figure Moscow Flyer and Azertyuiop ran to, who might be better suited by which course, what the time was, etc.
For God’s sake people, we’ve just witnessed one of the greatest races we’re ever likely to see and all people can talk about is ratings!
What about the excitement, what about the drama? Didn’t you get a buzz when the crowd erupted with a huge roar when MF outjumped Cenkos and went ahead down the back straight?
And when Ruby brought Azertyuiop closer and looked to be going better towards the Pond fence, and it seemed that the great duel we had all been waiting for really was about to happen, didn’t that get a surge of adrenalin flowing?
And when MF jumped the last fences so well, and suddenly Azertyuiop wasn’t getting there, but Well Chief was challenging, and then up the Sandown hill, where so many races are turned round, didn’t you all get that fantastic feeling of excitement, of being witness to something wonderful?
Didn’t it bring a lump to your throat when Geraghty pointed his finger into the air as Moscow Flyer passed the post after one of the truly great races of the last 10 years and more, because it meant so much to him?
177? 176? 175? For God’s sake, who cares?
I was at Sandown yesterday and saw Nichols meet Ruby.Some hot words were exchanged in public
three great horses did battle
I dont care who wins if we get races like that!
We all know horses make fools out of statistics but what i saw was 3 great horses doing battle and i wouldnt mind if we have races like that every sat after all its why were here.<br>
That was the most exciting race that I have seen for a long time, it was an absalute pleasure to watch.
I have to confess that I was convinced before the race that Azertyuiop was going to win, for some reason I have always underated Moscow Flyer, but not any more!
IMHO there were no excuses whatsoever for any of the beaten horses, MF was just too good for them, just like he was last year. MF’s superior jumping ability makes a huge difference around Sandown and Azertyuiop could never get on terms with him because of it.
If Moscow Flyer was a younger horse I would say that if the two of them both stayed on there feet in the Champion Chase the result would be the same again. However, I don’t know the records for 11 year olds winning the Champion Chase but surely they are not very good. I’d also have to say that I think Azertyuiop is a better horse at that time of year so I still fancy him to reverse the placings come Cheltenham.
Although, there is every chance MF could prove me wrong again just like he did yesterday! :)
I also have to mention Well Chief, I thaught he ran a cracking race and I reckon he is a better horse around Cheltenham so there is no way I am going to rule him out of the Champion Chase picture.
Boye,
The ratings are only secondary to the spectacle and the excitement, which I’m sure everyone who witnessed this thrilling contest felt. It was probably the best race I’ve seen all year at any track and I will savour the memory of it for years to come.
Some of us, to keep ourselves amused, like to speculate on performances and comparative abilities using ratings of various sorts. We need to be indulged, like a potty uncle, for we mean no harm and don’t take ourselves too seriously.
Oh well, I live and learn… It seems the actual result of the Tingle Creek is secondary to ratings and Azertyuiop is really a better horse than Moscow Flyer and just needs suitable conditions to show it… <br>[br]All of you Azertyuiop apologists might want to look closely at it again or just repeatedly read the formbook assessment, ‘no impression on winner’, to clear the fog in your heads and come to terms with reality.<br>[br]Roll on March, bring it on again so we can see it once again, irrespective of notional ratings, Moscow Flyer is better, stronger, faster than Azertyuiop. <br>
<br>Ratings are part of the excitment for me. I get enjoyment from looking at the form almost as much as from watching the race. That is how I feel and, as this is a public forum on horse racing, I’m going to post about it.
Be critical all you want, I don’t just want the drama of the race, I want something afterwards as well.
Rob.
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