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Pleasantly surprised by this news and now I just hope that at some point during next season we get the AR vs Inspiral over 10F on fast ground (POW at Royal Ascot or the Eclipse) are the most likely races where we could get those conditions.
I guess ultimately they will be gearing up for a crack at next year’s BC Classic which is no doubt on the boys bucket list.
Be interesting to see if Auguste Rodin ever takes on City Of Troy, or whoever Ballydoyle’s top 3yo is next season. The Irish Champion Stakes would be the logical place for it to happen.
To be honest I think he could have taken this years Classic.
The things I want most in life are the things that I can't win.
If COT turns out to be what everyone is hoping/praying he is, I think there is zero chance of them clashing as I think they will be purposely kept apart….yes the Irish Champion is the logical race but assuming (big if….there are a lot of big ifs in the following) COT stays 12F then I would imagine if he has already won the 2000g/Derby it will be all in on the Triple Crown which the boys (Magnier mainly I suspect) seem hell bent on capturing to cement a legacy.
We know AR is now seen as fast ground dependant (although he has won on soft) so the Arc and Champion Stakes are likely non starters but races like the POW, Eclipse, King George, Juddmonte, and Irish Champion are all likely options – for me personally, I think the BC Classic is a mistake but a Japan Cup (likely on very fast ground) would likely be right up his alley.
Like I said though, there are a lot of ifs involved and all plans could just as easily go south as early as Newmarket in May plus we do have plenty of recent evidence to know that keeping Derby winners in training the following year doesn’t sadly pay many dividends.
Great to see him coming back but it’s quite a strange decision from a business perspective. He can’t really gain much by coming back and they have sensational 2yo’s coming through anyway.
Also, I think running in the Breeders Cup Classic will end in the usual disaster. In my opinion, if a horse isn’t trained on dirt, it doesn’t matter if he’s bred for it or not. The muscles need to be adapted to it.
I wasn’t expecting this but pleased to hear it. I wonder if we will see him at Meydan
Possible campaign:
Dubai Classic
Prince of Wales
King GeorgeSend him to America and have him train on the dirt
Pacific Classic (Del Mar)
Breeder’s Cup ClassicI think the only reason he’s being kept on is because of the Breeders Cup Classic. AOB saw something special in Rodin when being worked on the dirt, he did say there and then if he’d known that beforehand he could have gone for it this year.
What that means for his campaign, I don’t know but I doubt we’ll see a whole lot of him, maybe 2-3 runs spread out.16/1 with Hills currently, I’ve had a few quid on and I’ll top up now and again.
Big difference between working on the dirt on your own at your own pace against getting run off your feet amongst seasoned dirt performers whilst likely getting a face full (maybe even inhalling a fair bit) of kickback.
A lot of those BC dirt races end up being a grueling last man standing type affair on a dirt surface that has a very hard compacted base underneath the dirt (which will be totally alien to him going at racing pace) and that kind of race I can’t ever see suiting Auguste Rodin’s style of racing.
This is a horse that has had two notable non-performances in races where for no apparent reason he no showed on the day and that was on his favoured turf surface – if they gear the whole season around one dirt race and, to prepare, forego a lot of the top turf races in Europe as a consequence and come BC Classic day 2000g/King George Auguste shows up….it will have been a complete wasted venture of keeping him in training.
Agree with your earlier post LD73 (13 Nov). The Japan Cup would be a more logical target in every way for a son of Deep Impact, except that Japanese breeders don’t need any more convincing about DI, just as Europe is already thoroughly convinced over Galileo.
Maybe Coolmore think a BC Classic win would open up a lucrative revenue stream in America to go alongside demand from Europe & Japan. Just can’t see him winning it though.As it stands, August Rodin doesn’t really have a “commercial” look, as a stallion.
He’s mainly won Group 1s over 12f.
I can see why they’re keeping him in training.
Agree with Archipenko. However a BC Classic would transform his appeal (and fee!). He’ll be hard to beat from 10f – 12f on his ground.
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Not sure his appeal would be transformed that much if he were to win the race…..a big if.
Assuming that he will be standing our side of the pond after next year, surely adding additional turf success (mainly at 10F) will be of much more interest to European breeders than whether or not he was able to win one race on dirt.
Being a high class son of Deep Impact will likely always have greater resonance to Japanese breeders than whether he won one race on dirt and I highly doubt he will stand in the US but even if he did would a predominately turf winning racehorse that won once on dirt be a big enough of an attraction to draw US breeders away from the out and out dirt based stallions that they know?
Agree with the comments about the Classic. It is one thing working well on the dirt but another thing altogether taking on battle hardened horses that run on it all the time.
I think the bookmakers make City Of Troy more likely to win the Triple Crown than Auguste Rodin winning the Classic. I think they are right.
Giants Causeway went v close in the Classic; would he have been trained specially with that race in mind?
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