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I have laid out my opinions rather bare.
I defend this system section, and praise
the lot of good work on here, but still
harbour strong doubts about laying systems
and certainly there being in the public eye.I possibly hold a minority view.
I do not wish to disturb any further, the
tranquility of this place, so these are
my departing words.Matron, you may be right about a holiday
and I take everything on board and do take
some advice. I may dig myself a hole
in the snow and cool off for a few months.As far as winding people up
for the sake of a bit of rawness – not
on important matters I suggest,
but there is a side of me
that does pander in that direction
Gamble, to my eye (although I admit I haven’t really looked) certainly the most famous and probably the most profitable laying system to ever have been openly published on a forum was by that Maria woman. Using her system as an example the point you make has a great deal of merit – anyone with a competent level of CSE maths could have reversed engineered her system within a few hours. However, to my mind simply knowing how something works is only half the story.
If I remember correctly it was Morton Coles that wrote ‘the two biggest assets in the bookmakers’ armoury are the Greed and Vanity of punters’.
So, even when armed with the knowledge of the secret of Maria’s system: to lay at the right price etc…..how many are simply content to follow the system or are they more inclined to try and nick an extra point here half a point there and to do it better – and when it falls apart are then unable to look to themselves for the reason why.
In my view, we make too much of this idea of ‘everyone jumping aboard’ and ‘prices being ruined’. If someone is smart enough to develop a winning system – Back or Lay – they are also smart enough to change and adapt before the game catches up with them.
The Game Never Stays The Same – Big Wheels Keep On Turning….
As for seagull I wish him well.
His prolonged sanctuary makes you
wonder if his three computers
have finally cracked it
or he is back driving through the snow
in his old one horse open artic’.The snap has put all holidays
on ice and Pompete the only Maria
I know was a gang girl in Manhattan
who put it all on top ceesI am all for a bit of philanthropy
but really cannot get my head around WHY ?
Why do you living saints and Nelson Mandela
followers give out private information about
possible successful systems to public view.When the public sees it and uses it -BANG the
effectiveness and all profit of the system is gone.
Back to square one. Wher oh where is the rationale ?The exchanges are hard enough places as it is
since the number crunchers have set their software
at every entry point. I cannot advise you more strongly
– if you have any method that produces profit
why the hell give it to Harry Hill to fart with –
keep it inside and to yourself.As for already publicised sysetms like Van Der Whal etc
fair enough, its in the public domain, discuss them til you’re green in the face. Discuss different strategies; general approaches,how to organise your pots, but don’t give away any crocs of gold. I will not give a pinch of information to anyone else, least of all the public who I don’t know.I believe you are all in the minority and are
barking at each other and up the wrong tree.Possibly you are trying to run in the cleverness stakes
and are in it for the glory. I suggest you stand in front of a mirror in the morning for a good five minutes and shout out : I’M GREAT, I’M GREAT then apologise to your neighbour and go and treat yourself to a five course meal with the money you will have saved.PLEASE DEFEND THIS HOUSE
PLEASE DEFEND ITS PUBLIC STATUSGamble,
I had reservations when starting a Systems thread on here. Finished with it because it relied on getting on before others, before the price shortens. That and because had problems getting a Racing Post.
Have now deleted any rules to my system.
So far from defending this house….
Value Is EverythingHere you are Gamble Maria’s Laying System[/url:1mkb4o91]
£3,000 to £100,000 in a year – all selections posted prior to running – ruined the game for everyone? The Defence Rests
She is now a mod on Adrian Massey’s forum I think.
Hmmmmmm,
“Maria”, if that is “her” name. Some people invent a female name because they are less inclined to get criticised / questioned. Seems to me she is putting up laying selections before the races; and then putting what price she laid them at and by how much, after the races had been run.
Therefore, it is POSSIBLE (not saying she is doing it, just POSSIBLE) to manipulate the odds / stakes. By choosing odds at the lower end of the market for each horse, with a stake to suit.
Her “SP +10%” were dropped on page 11, #105 when they were going at a loss. One wonders why, but is it a coincidence that that market is impossible to manipulate? Again, not saying she is doing this, just that it seems from what I see POSSIBLE.
Therefore, being a sceptical bloke; if it can (not is, but CAN) be manipulated, I have some doubt whether these results are true.
Value Is EverythingMaria, is genuine and is very bright and attractive blonde from Riga I can assure you.
Also, the results are genuine because I followed her thread from the start many years ago.
Regards – Matron
Maria, is genuine and is very bright and attractive blonde from Riga I can assure you.
Also, the results are genuine because I followed her thread from the start many years ago.
Regards – Matron
Matron,
O.k. if you say Maria is a blonde then it’s a lady.
But how do you know the results are genuine? Even if you followed the thread from the start.
Like I say from what I see, the selections come in before racing; yet the prices and stakes come afterwards.
If I state horse X is a lay in the morning of a race. Then keep an eye on the fluctuating market on exchanges, noting down the lowest price available between selection and off times. Then after the race, claim to have laid the horse near that best (lowest) price. If I knew a bit about the subject of laying horses; then with my knowledge and advantage in selecting a price after the race; I’d be odds-on to show a profit.
I repeat, am not saying this is what happened, just that the way the "tipping" process has been done, seems to enable it to be POSSIBLE.
Therefore, it seems to me there is no way of telling if this is genuine or not. Whether following it from the begining like you Matron, or looking at it now.
I know it is easy to poke holes in anything. There’s times when I tipped something at an exchange price, and then when someone has looked it’s no longer available. Looks as though I’ve made the price up. But to put the prices in after the race had finished….
Value Is EverythingThink what you like.
She has a very astute mathemetical brain I can assure you.
Regards – Matron
Maria is no nutjob or eeijet
she kept her skirts on
as she rode the hundred foot wave.
Whether it spoiled it for everyone,
possibly not,
but I suggest quite a number
in trailing boats
got thoroughly soaked in the wake.A lot of these lay systems
have a pattern which are not
that difficult to crack.
A lay system finder
shouts eureka in the bath
only for the same echo to be heard
in a thousand similar yellow
duck, scum ridden sweat rooms,
from bangor to to timbaktotheloo.My new years advice
to all those fidgets in bathrooms
is to keep your navel gazing
strictly to yourself
and keep that duck submerged
to the point of drowning.
Far better to kill
one yellow one
than a thousand drown
in a sea of redMonday is a good day for clone.
Two am this morning
found me tossing and turning, restless
like a chicken on a spit
with desperate dan lookng in
after he’d smashed up his diet diary.Then that half moment
presented itself
between half-sleep and death
when reverie taps
top of your head
and facts unravel and
the picure is blindingly clear.Are Zen
you are certainly truffle meat.
You refer to, but came after the battle at
Southend pier the sunday when Razzer
after a night of mighty gold cans
headed under the blankets
in fear of of my stunning array
of kalikashnikovs and bristling energy.Its been reported ad nauseam
even Razeen’s youg’n
is bullied in a Bromley school yard
about his dad’s lack of
mustard in battle
that saw him thrown
neck high from that same pier
to meet his just rewards
from the big awkward fish of the seas.Your days are numbered
and although I have an aversion
to clone my reverie moment
will finish you before the month
is out and rememeber as you post
I am riding on your back
to hell
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The Wimbledon fish and chip shop thrashing that was meted out to you by a father and son combo will be a mere bagatelle compared to what me and my boy will dish out.
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"It is the Law of the Graet Gull, the Law that Is"
"Are you saying I can fly?"
"I say that you are free"
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I feel I may have been rumbled.
Gamble has served me on a platter to the boss
I think my days may be numbered
More appropriate might be the great Gall’s
law of systemanticsA simple system, designed from scratch, sometimes works.
Some complex systems actually work.
A complex system designed from scratch never works and cannot be patched up to make it work. You have to start over, beginning with a working simple system.
After the obligatory words I come to
the far more interesting ones..The Wimbledon fish and chip shop thrashing that was meted out to you by a father and son combo will be a mere bagatelle compared to what me and my boy will dish out.
This razeenspeak is entirely convincing – Even to the point of getting the wrong fish and chip shop. My ‘battering’ took place in the Sea Shell in Lissom grove off the Marleybone road. I had to correct Razeen on a previous post (years ago) where he made this mistake in confusing my favourite chippie in Wimbledon with the high crime area of paddington green where I met the marble men – Two disgusting jerks who who were totally pissed and were trying to operate a lay system on the blonde I was with. After giving me a shiner they threatend to rip my head off my shoulders and were waiting for me outside. What did I do ? Ordered two fish and chips – gratis of the house
You are good clone, very good, but Razeen has never double posted as you did in the lounge
– the word honk though was his own, so your clone odds have lengthened.
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