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Ken
most aw races are 1.5/2 furlong sprints , the races in the main are run at a crawl
dont worry those cheating sods will find a way to bend the races , if you play with fire you will get burned …sectional times are definitely a benefit if a race has been run at a true pace …the aw fodder in the class 6 and 7 bracket will have some fun with this !!!
AW racing is just another form of roulette , the bad publicity it is slowly gathering will hopefully be its downfall , for in reality if mug punters don’t bet on it , they (the bookies ) will get rid of it
IMO
Sectional times are extremely useful and by no means a waste of time. It doesn’t matter if the pictures are delayed by 1 second or 10 minutes. Sectional times help us tell how the race was run using firm evidence.They help us determine the way horses have used their energy and if this was done in the most optimum way, the findings are certainly not irrelevant.
So Ken, what is your analysis of yesterdays races from Lingfield based on the firm evidence of the sectional times?
Have you got any? Do you write the sectional times as they appear on ATR or do you get them later? Where do you get them from?
The only benefit of sectional times and I concede there may be some benefit for some, is after the event. Absolutely pointless to have sectional times on a "live" feed with a 10 second delay, you’ve admitted yourself they would just as much use with a 10 minute delay.
Where is the analysis of these sectional times on ATR that the vast majority of viewers have no interest in? There is none like there wasn’t from RUK when they obliterated a third of the screen with them at a jumps meeting from Cheltenham.
Unless you have a James Willoughby or Simon Rowlands in the studio the analysis of sectional times is non existent because most presenters and pundits haven’t got a clue about them.
All they do is clutter up the screen and the revolving numbered coloured cubes that change in order every tenth of a second are worse than useless.Pru …as always you post so accurately , and you are correct
However , whats the point of sectional times on the aw , when most of the races are bent anyway ???
lets see them work on proper racing
imo
Ricky
People may find this interesting. It is a consultation document put out by the BHA. http://www.britishhorseracing.com/resou … CUMENT.pdf
I think people need to open their eyes a bit to new ideas. I think racing has been held back here due to a continual attitude of ‘this is new I don’t like it’.
Come gather ’round people
Wherever you roam
And admit that the waters
Around you have grown
And accept it that soon
You’ll be drenched to the bone
If your time to you
Is worth savin’
Then you better start swimmin’
Or you’ll sink like a stone
For the times they are a-changin’.Bob Dylan
Ken
I have no clue to who or what you are , but I do know that I dont need your replies to my posts in red ….
We already have ginger doing a similar thing ,,,just to have the last word …it is irritating to the extreme
Point is I make my post with my opinion , if it differs from yours thats ok , I dont imagine I get it right all the time , but its my view and the very last thing I need is someone to act infantile by screaming back at me in RED ……
Grow up will ya , this is about opinions , if you disagree fine , if you agree fine , we can agree to differ ???
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For the record I firmly believe the AW is mostly bent to the core , I believe what I see , I believe the markets and the money traded..I believe the way the races are run , but mostly I believe that low level dross class 6 and 7 races cannot be good for the game , as quite simply why race for 1900 or 2000 quid and get a new Hcap mark , whilst paying fees of 25 grand a year …when its easy to get some of your mates to lay it for 10 grand on your behalfLosing on low graded races must be very profitable for those concerned , except of course for the poor mugs betting on it
This is my firm opinion , AW is mostly bent , I wont even watch it in future , you Sir can have it ,….but eventually you will see the light
IMO
Ricky
Ken
I have no clue to who or what you are , but I do know that I dont need your replies to my posts in red ….
We already have ginger doing a similar thing ,,,just to have the last word …it is irritating to the extreme
Point is I make my post with my opinion , if it differs from yours thats ok , I dont imagine I get it right all the time , but its my view and the very last thing I need is someone to act infantile by screaming back at me in RED ……
Grow up will ya , this is about opinions , if you disagree fine , if you agree fine , we can agree to differ ???
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For the record I firmly believe the AW is mostly bent to the core , I believe what I see , I believe the markets and the money traded..I believe the way the races are run , but mostly I believe that low level dross class 6 and 7 races cannot be good for the game , as quite simply why race for 1900 or 2000 quid and get a new Hcap mark , whilst paying fees of 25 grand a year …when its easy to get some of your mates to lay it for 10 grand on your behalfLosing on low graded races must be very profitable for those concerned , except of course for the poor mugs betting on it
This is my firm opinion , AW is mostly bent , I wont even watch it in future , you Sir can have it ,….but eventually you will see the light
IMO
Ricky
This has upset me and makes me wonder the point of being on here. I wasn’t screaming back at you, being infantile or having the last word and I don’t need to grow up thanks.The reason my replies were in red was quite simply so I could answer individual points as you made them within your post and to clearly separate your point from my answer. No other reason at all.I think most people would understand this.There are various other topics including the celebrity Q&A where this happens. This is common on most forums. Perhaps I should have used another colour.
Of course you are entitled to your opinion, just as I am mine and other people. That is the whole point of a forum.
Yes, you don’t really have any choice but to reply in red if you are using multiple quotes in a single post.
You can copy the entire text repeatedly but that gets very complicated, very quickly!
Mike
…as quite simply why race for 1900 or 2000 quid and get a new Hcap mark
Ricky
In Jamie Osborne’s case to get qualified for the UAE Derby! I’m surprised no one commented on his post race interview, where he states they had two plans. One to "protect" ToNY’s mark for the Britannia at Royal Ascot, the other to go for noughts in Dubai. On deciding on the UAE route they had to "blow" his mark apart to get in to the race which is why he told Adam Kirby to win by as far as he liked at Wolverhampton (he ended up getting 2 days for whipping after winning by 16 lengths).
This has upset me and makes me wonder the point of being on here. I wasn’t screaming back at you, being infantile or having the last word and I don’t need to grow up thanks.The reason my replies were in red was quite simply so I could answer individual points as you made them within your post and to clearly separate your point from my answer. No other reason at all.I think most people would understand this.There are various other topics including the celebrity Q&A where this happens. This is common on most forums. Perhaps I should have used another colour.
Of course you are entitled to your opinion, just as I am mine and other people. That is the whole point of a forum.
Excellent posts by Ken and Simon on this thread.
Ignore Ricky,
He knows he’s losing the arguement (again) so has to revert to moaning about non-subject matter.Anyone can see why people use another colour within someone else’s quote.
Mark
Value Is EverythingHe knows he’s losing the arguement (again) so has to revert to moaning about non-subject matter.
Mark
You should know all about that, it’s one of your specialities
For the record I firmly believe the AW is mostly bent to the core , I believe what I see , I believe the markets and the money traded..I believe the way the races are run , but mostly I believe that low level dross class 6 and 7 races cannot be good for the game , as quite simply why race for 1900 or 2000 quid and get a new Hcap mark , whilst paying fees of 25 grand a year …when its easy to get some of your mates to lay it for 10 grand on your behalf
Losing on low graded races must be very profitable for those concerned , except of course for the poor mugs betting on it
This is my firm opinion , AW is mostly bent , I wont even watch it in future , you Sir can have it ,….but eventually you will see the light
Ginger …..can you please comment on my point or argument , I dont see how I am losing it …
so go on dust yourself off and comment if you can …..
imo
The point is to trial the system to give more credibility to all racing. In fact Leicester are doing a trial this season using, I understand, a different system to Lingfield. British racing is lagging well behind the rest of the world on this.
So the system will be trialled on low-grade AW racing (is there any other?), low-grade flat turf racing and then, no doubt, low-grade jumping (if Worcester ever dries out)? The results will be "inconclusive", the BHA will decide that it’s not worth pursuing and it’ll all come to nothing. Status quo preserved; everyone’s happy.
Ricky fully understands the game played by connections on the All Weather, the prize money is completely irrelevant and derisory when set against costs.
No, it’s an inside game conducted over the phone where winners are agreed in advance, jockeys receive their orders and the anointed animal is allowed to win in a manner that does not appear to obvious so as to arouse suspicion.
I am surprised that race fans are not fully aware of this practice after so many years of stuffing the poor betting fan.
Tipping services thrive on this, they profit from certain arrangements with connections. A friend of mine pays for tips and a year or so ago he received a tip on the Friday evening for a race on the Saturday. On the Saturday morning he received another call from the tipster who said, ”that tip I gave you last night, scrub it, the owners are going to back another horse today at a bigger price ”. He named the animal which duly won.
It’s all about circles within circles keeping Joe Public firmly on the outside unless he’s prepared to pay.
The point is to trial the system to give more credibility to all racing. In fact Leicester are doing a trial this season using, I understand, a different system to Lingfield. British racing is lagging well behind the rest of the world on this.
So the system will be trialled on low-grade AW racing (is there any other?), low-grade flat turf racing and then, no doubt, low-grade jumping (if Worcester ever dries out)? The results will be "inconclusive", the BHA will decide that it’s not worth pursuing and it’ll all come to nothing. Status quo preserved; everyone’s happy.
The trial at Leicester is I believe, with a different system connected with SIS. We’ve already had the sectional times in place for the Qipco Champions series and I think that will continue. Eventually it will happen everywhere, we are lagging well behind the rest of the world in this. I don’t know why people would object to it happening. If you don’t want to use the info you won’t have to use it. Those who want to use it will. Everyone’s happy.
Not a lot I can say on the posts by Ricky and Woolfie that hasn’t already been said before. It seems this has now now developed from a debate on sectional timing to another attack on All Weather racing.You can profit from the All Weather if you put in the effort. I think Hugh Taylor has proved that. Most of his selections during the winter are on the AW. Simon Rowlands added to profits at the end of last week with 4 out 4 selections from his sectional times blog winning.
I don’t suppose it has occurred to some that sectional times could help with integrity issues.
don’t suppose it has occurred to some that sectional times could help with integrity issues.
Ken could you put some flesh on this please , it does not make any sense to me
many thanks
Ricky
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