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Their pictures are delayed by 10 seconds and even less use are those 4 numbered coloured blocks giving you the order of the runners throughout the race.
Time’s important to them apparently but not if you want to watch a race live.
Eddie , steer well clear of Leafy and all aw tracks , the level of trickery is at an all time high
just leave it , let others lose their cash , having watched Kempton avidly for the last 6 months …am none the wiser , if anything its worse than southwell …and that takes some doing …..As for sectionals , its a waste as most of the races are run at a crawl , so the findings will be to a large extent irrelevant
Rubbish racing . run for bookies …..
imo
Sectional times are extremely useful and by no means a waste of time. It doesn’t matter if the pictures are delayed by 1 second or 10 minutes. Sectional times help us tell how the race was run using firm evidence.They help us determine the way horses have used their energy and if this was done in the most optimum way, the findings are certainly not irrelevant. They are a great pointer for future betting. Clear evidence of this is the superb series of articles by prufrock(Simon Rowlands)where he has pinpointed horses to bet or lay in the future. This series is showing a good profit and most of the selections are from all weather racing.
This seems to be another attack on all weather racing. It is perfectly possible to make a profit betting on the all weather and many do this without so called ‘inside information’.
Hopefully prufrock may be able to come on and give his very expert opinion on this subject.
Sufficient to have them in replay Ken if you need to see how a race was run, pointless in a "live" race with a 10 sec delay as you can’t do anything with it. Ironically looking at a replay of a race on ATR I could see no sign of any sectional times.
Are the profits shown by sectional timing on the AW greater than those produced by the same calculations on turf, Ken?
Ken
most aw races are 1.5/2 furlong sprints , the races in the main are run at a crawl
dont worry those cheating sods will find a way to bend the races , if you play with fire you will get burned …sectional times are definitely a benefit if a race has been run at a true pace …the aw fodder in the class 6 and 7 bracket will have some fun with this !!!
AW racing is just another form of roulette , the bad publicity it is slowly gathering will hopefully be its downfall , for in reality if mug punters don’t bet on it , they (the bookies ) will get rid of it
IMO
Eddie , steer well clear of Leafy and all aw tracks , the level of trickery is at an all time high
just leave it , let others lose their cash , having watched Kempton avidly for the last 6 months …am none the wiser , if anything its worse than southwell …and that takes some doing …..As for sectionals , its a waste as most of the races are run at a crawl , so the findings will be to a large extent irrelevant
Rubbish racing . run for bookies …..
imo
Wise words indeed.
Shock Horror …..some more lovely stuff ….Royal defence wins a 4 runner event at wolverhampton ….the rank outsider of 4 ,,,,look at his form , go on look at it and tell me this was the norm ….
This is typical of whats happening on a daily basis
you the Mugs who bet on it are funding the bookies …..and its all for what ????…well its because you are a bunch of serial losers , losers are good …..
What a load of Tosh
in my opinion of course
Sectional times are extremely useful and by no means a waste of time. It doesn’t matter if the pictures are delayed by 1 second or 10 minutes. Sectional times help us tell how the race was run using firm evidence.They help us determine the way horses have used their energy and if this was done in the most optimum way, the findings are certainly not irrelevant.
So Ken, what is your analysis of yesterdays races from Lingfield based on the firm evidence of the sectional times?
Have you got any? Do you write the sectional times as they appear on ATR or do you get them later? Where do you get them from?The only benefit of sectional times and I concede there may be some benefit for some, is after the event. Absolutely pointless to have sectional times on a "live" feed with a 10 second delay, you’ve admitted yourself they would just as much use with a 10 minute delay.
Where is the analysis of these sectional times on ATR that the vast majority of viewers have no interest in? There is none like there wasn’t from RUK when they obliterated a third of the screen with them at a jumps meeting from Cheltenham.
Unless you have a James Willoughby or Simon Rowlands in the studio the analysis of sectional times is non existent because most presenters and pundits haven’t got a clue about them.All they do is clutter up the screen and the revolving numbered coloured cubes that change in order every tenth of a second are worse than useless.
I really shouldn’t, but I have this aversion to willful ignorance, so here goes.
Sectional times are NOT only of use after the event. If you have the intelligence and application to understand time analysis, you can project overall times – which it is possible to do after a race or two on a card as a result of sectionals – and the sectionals that should give rise to them.
So that you could, for instance, figure out after the first 2f of this year’s Winter Derby that the leaders were going too fast and lay one/some of those leaders or back something that was behind. Such as the winner, who was in last place after 300 yards.
Unfortunately, though, with a 10-second delay in transmission, that would leave you with only approximately 90 seconds of the race to go in which to engage brain and execute a bet. Could be tricky.
How many people do this? Not many at present, I suspect. But on-screen sectional times have only been with us on a regular basis for 6 weeks and could be described as in their infancy. Like any infant, they need a bit of TLC and understanding – as opposed to callous and sustained abuse – in order to thrive.
They would benefit greatly from the broadcasters concerned displaying benchmark sectionals along the way, so that those who wish to educate themselves about the subject can do just that, while those who do not wish to educate themselves about the subject will presumably continue to whinge about their screens being cluttered up with figures which they cannot be bothered to understand.
Benchmark sectionals would also, arguably, add to the appreciation of a race by those not inclined to bet in-running on the back of them. Last year’s Champion Hurdle and Cheltenham Gold Cup pace collapses were spectacular. Some people might like to have known what was happening at the time, backed up by hard facts, whether or not they struck a bet as a result.
There are valid reasons not to advocate sectionals – such as the cost of existing technology or the graft involved in generating your own – but that "live" (or even slightly delayed) sectionals have no worth is not one of them.
Pru …as always you post so accurately , and you are correct
However , whats the point of sectional times on the aw , when most of the races are bent anyway ???
lets see them work on proper racing
imo
Ricky
So that you could, for instance, figure out after the first 2f of this year’s Winter Derby that the leaders were going too fast and lay one/some of those leaders or back something that was behind. Such as the winner, who was in last place after 300 yards.
Unfortunately, though, with a 10-second delay in transmission, that would leave you with only approximately 90 seconds of the race to go in which to engage brain and execute a bet. Could be tricky.
I tried that once, unfortunately my horse slipped and fell down 5 seconds after I placed my bet and all my money had gone. Got my fingers badly burned, I know you should look at something like this long term but it put me off doing similar for life, especially with my lack of expertise.
I can’t see in running with a 10 second delay really catching on with the majority despite it’s lack of trickery with the benefit of sectional timing, it will just be left to the elite few.
Eddie , steer well clear of Leafy and all aw tracks , the level of trickery is at an all time high
just leave it , let others lose their cash , having watched Kempton avidly for the last 6 months …am none the wiser
Rubbish racing . run for bookies …..
imo
The point is to try to attribute some semblance of credibility to AW racing.
The point is to trial the system to give more credibility to all racing. In fact Leicester are doing a trial this season using, I understand, a different system to Lingfield. British racing is lagging well behind the rest of the world on this.
Are the profits shown by sectional timing on the AW greater than those produced by the same calculations on turf, Ken?
Most of Simon’s profits have come from the AW. This is because that is what he has concentrated on. Simon has had to produce his own sectional times through hand timing.
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