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- October 18, 2025 at 15:41 #1742384
I thought FOG ran okay considering the setback and it being his first run back
Rosallion is the best miler in Europe, Ghost, takes the Breeders Cup by the scruff of the neck…
Charles Darwin to conquer the World
October 18, 2025 at 15:42 #1742385You taking the piss Hughsie …or on the piss , it’s been a let’s say indifferent season for Hannon
October 18, 2025 at 15:42 #1742386“Let’s be honest it’s been a season without a superstar , it happens , you could argue the same in last year’s nh season”
If Ombudsman were to win the next he’d make a strong case for it.
October 18, 2025 at 15:44 #1742388Take Champions Day form with a bucket of salt
Witch Hunter to save Hannon’s season, a shame Spencer is not ridingCharles Darwin to conquer the World
October 18, 2025 at 15:45 #1742391Well he,s been beaten twice …
October 18, 2025 at 15:47 #1742392Potential superstars that fluffed their lines a plenty, I think if either Ombudsman of Delacroix wins this they will likely be horse of the year although I do think Minnie Hauk isn’t far behind and probably would have been if she had held on to win the Arc.
October 18, 2025 at 15:57 #1742398They could be horse of the year but not a superstar , let’s see what happens , if one wins with authority then there’s a argument
October 18, 2025 at 16:06 #1742403Gosden blaming the draw for FOG , what a load of bollocks
October 18, 2025 at 16:08 #1742404Well done VTC
Hopefully this overhyping of Field Of Gold now ends.The more I know the less I understand.
October 18, 2025 at 19:45 #1742451Well done, VTC. Inspired selection!
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October 18, 2025 at 20:36 #1742453Well done VTC. To be honest I don’t think its Champions Day, the races on the round track made sense, the group 1’s on the straight track are at the whim of the draw/pace when its a big field and you get loads of these random results on the Ascot straight, Royal Ascot is even worse because they try and cancel out the biases with random watering and then the favoured side changes from day to day. I don’t think the straight track at Ascot is actually a very fair course but no less than most I suppose, we’ve seen plenty of races at Newmarket with the same problem.
October 18, 2025 at 20:54 #1742456I’d revise what I said above actually about it not being a fair track. There isn’t a part of the track you want to be on necessarily I just think big fields and where the optimal pace is rather than a specific draw would be the crucial bit and its probably true of any straight track where there’s a big field. There was a bias at Haydock in the Sprint Cup too. You get a big field and they normally split and its in the lap of the horsey gods as to which group you want to be in and there’s no real way of knowing beforehand if you’ve had a bet where the optimal pace is, sometimes you know where the front runners are but then they go too hard and there’s nothing to carry the rest of the field behind them for the final couple of furlongs and the other side gets it.
October 18, 2025 at 21:27 #1742463I hope the lion in winter stays in training. Clearly has had ringworm and if he can get over it and strengthen up must be there or thereabouts next year. Field of gold just not as good as press made out I’m afraid. As for the winner. Delighted for all the connections especially the rider. So happy to see big prizes spread around though why they insist on waiting with lion in winter baffles me. I feel had he gone earlier it would have been very close.
October 18, 2025 at 22:06 #1742469Just got home and watched this. Very well done VTC. You sure can pick em.
October 18, 2025 at 22:45 #1742474I think it is a bit harsh to judge FOG on todays run – on the wrong side of the course for a start and came through with a challenging looking run that seemed to flatten out and I would imagine that a combination of match and general fitness was what found him out.
It was interesting to see ITV show a reply that showed that Cicero’s Gift and FOG were actually upsides each other (albeit one on the outside and one on the inside of the course) as they were approaching the part where the straight course joins the round course. It showed that they both started their runs pretty much at the same time.
This run would probably have put FOG spot on for his next run but I am not sure a BC Mile (his only real option) will suit him given his size and hold up tactics but I do think it is well worth bringing him back next season.
October 19, 2025 at 08:23 #1742481well played VTC great shout
October 19, 2025 at 11:07 #1742484Great effort VTC , that’s a punting masterclass .
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