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You’d have to be in front of me to worry about your back
Nope nothing springs to mind! give me a clue?
Well, Henderson has put all us guessers away by stating “Everyone thinks this is a trial for the Arkle but it is 99 per cent certain he’ll run in the RSA. This is just an easier prep for him."
Unless of course it’s a duble bluff.
Which I doubt.
Intriguing stuff though.
By the way –
Media Gecko –
can you stop openly challenging people to private bets publicly on the forum please – thank you.
Winning jockey Waley-Cohen said: "I’m delighted he’s done it like that and still pulling double. He’s got plenty to learn but he’s done it fantastic."
Owner Robert Waley-Cohen said: "You can’t do more than win by 12 lengths in a Grade 2, dropping back a mile in trip.
"We will have to have a debate on what we are going to do next. We ran back over two miles as it takes much less out of them than running over three miles and you can never be sure whether the Arkle was going to be right or the RSA was going to be right. I am not sure if I am any the wiser today!
"He has such a high cruising speed and he has obviously gotplenty of toe and plenty of stamina. It is an interesting challenge and there is no obvious solution. It is rather a bizarre position to be in to say what shall I do as you don’t normally have the choice."
He added: "We havea lot of homework to do before we make our minds up. He will be left in both at the five-day stage and I shall be leaving it to the five-day stage. It depends on the ground, if it comes up soft you might do one thing and if it was good you might do the other.
"It is incredibly exciting to look forward to but it is a tricky decision to make and if it doesn’t come off they will all think we are idiots and should have done the other!"
Those who thought the RSA was 99% certain were kidding themselves.
i think the waley-cohens should leave it up to the trainer to decide where the horse is best off running(not that it matters,he won’t win either)
I would love him to go for the Arkle so as to hold up the price on CCB. LR has no chance in that race based on today’s performance. Needs to go for the 3 miler to stand a chance of winning at the Festival.
This change in tone would only be credible if you were long since on Capt. Cee Bee at a true price, and therefore unconcerned about his price holding up (he is way too short now anyway).
What change in tone? I said previously that I don’t think LR will go for the Arkle and I still think that. However I would like him to go for the Arkle as it would help CCB’s on the day price. I backed CCB at 25/1 with Lads straight after his chase debut, but I will happiily go in again on the day if i can get 7/2+ on decent going; the chances of which are greater if LR runs in the race.
Those who thought the RSA was 99% certain were kidding themselves.
Get it right, they were told by the trainer he was 99% certain to run in the RSA! Some of us still had our doubts even then!
Winning jockey Waley-Cohen said: "I’m delighted he’s done it like that and still pulling double"
Still pulling double? He should watch the re-run …the horse was being really rousted up with the stick out just to jump with the third coming into the straight.
Dunguib coming down the hill at Cheltenham last year…. now THAT’S what I’d describe as "Pulling Double"
Cheltenham its a bit like those that thought Tidal Bay was flat out all the way round! Incredible how we all see things differently!
Winning jockey Waley-Cohen said: "I’m delighted he’s done it like that and still pulling double"
Still pulling double? He should watch the re-run …the horse was being really rousted up with the stick out just to jump with the third coming into the straight.
Dunguib coming down the hill at Cheltenham last year…. now THAT’S what I’d describe as "Pulling Double"
CS, we’re all pals here, but……
In what way is Dunguib’s Cheltenham Bumper effort, in any way a comparison with a novice chase over a sharp 2m?
There isn’t a chance that you, having adopted an entrenched position as regards Long Run, are looking for any reason whatsoever, to crab the form – is there?
In what way is Dunguib’s Cheltenham Bumper effort, in any way a comparison with a novice chase over a sharp 2m?
Just trying to find a proper example of "pulling double"
The same term can be applied to a 5 furlong sprinter, a hurdler or a four mile chaser. It has to mean the horse is on a tight reign at the very leastThere isn’t a chance that you, having adopted an entrenched position as regards Long Run, are looking for any reason whatsoever, to crab the form – is there?
Not at all, Look I’ve nowhere to hide if I’m wrong I’ll have to rejoin the forum using the moniker "Long Runners"
I said on here that he looked a really good thing today and advised all his fans to really lump on him big time, forget the price if he’s a genuine Cheltenham horse he was a certainty today.
As a big fan of Diamond Harry (especially at Newbry) the same applied ..if he was a genuine Cheltenham horse he was a certainty today. I lumped on Harry today (four figure sum) at a similar price, well 4/6…but it was money for old rope reallyI have a feeling Shakervilz will win tomoro and come into the reckoning for the Arkle. The horse he beat last time out had 6l to find with Cousin Vinny when he ran at Naas. With further Improvement likely he could be a runner at big prices
Osana 17.5
Shakervilz 100
in the Betfair Market for the Arkle.
HMMMMM…..if i knew he was going to the Arkle for defo their is a appealing trade
Just trying to find a proper example of "pulling double"
The same term can be applied to a 5 furlong sprinter, a hurdler or a four mile chaser. It has to mean the horse is on a tight reign at the very leastNot at all, Look I’ve nowhere to hide if I’m wrong I’ll have to rejoin the forum using the moniker "Long Runners"
I said on here that he looked a really good thing today and advised all his fans to really lump on him big time, forget the price if he’s a genuine Cheltenham horse he was a certainty today.
As a big fan of Diamond Harry (especially at Newbry) the same applied ..if he was a genuine Cheltenham horse he was a certainty today. I lumped on Harry today (four figure sum) at a similar price, well 4/6…but it was money for old rope reallyGood on you, CS. Truth be told, I’m probably as entrenched in my position as anyone else. That said, I think today’s effort from LR, thoroughly dispels the notion that he is a ‘stayer’ and not much else.
Jumping and jockey concerns apart, I’m sure you would concede that the horse is – at the very least – as versatile in terms of trip, as one could hope for in a novice chaser?
The only problem with that is, is that it could very well leave him mired in no man’s land trip-wise. That’s not exactly a disaster for a 5yo with his whole career ahead of him, but it does leave the likes of us potentially having to settle for a thoroughly unsatisfactory no-score-draw.
As for Diamond Harry – he is fast becoming my bete-noir. I absolutely adore him, but can never catch him right. For a horse who gives the visual impression of constantly being on the verge of giving up, he doesn’t half keep finding.
One half of me says Choc rode a shocker today – particularly going to the cross-fence (he’s clearly unfamiliar with Pythagorus Theorum) – and Bensalem should have won…..and the other half suspects that Diamond Harry would have found more if required.
On balance, I’d be marginally disappointed if I was a DH backer. Am I being too harsh?
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Cheltenham its a bit like those that thought Tidal Bay was flat out all the way round! Incredible how we all see things differently!
Erm… as I recall, the one who thought TB was ‘flat out the whole way’ had just been sat in the middle of his back for 3 miles?
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While Diamond Harry’s fencing bubble hasn’t been altogether burst today, it’s certainly looking much more fragile than it was before the race.
Just my view, but I’d still say there’s a deal of doubt about him even lasting home over the RSA trip.
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