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Certainly food for thought but there are also plenty of examples of horses PN has bigged up as being the next best thing that have failed to deliver. Nothing to do with him trying to mislead people i’m sure, they just haven’t developed how he’d expected. I’m certainly not against Tataniano but he’s done nothing so far to suggest he’s up to the task and PN hasn’t really campaigned him how you would expect him to campaign a leading Arkle fancy.
I’ve very much in the Captain Cee Bee, corner.
Hell of a horse i think this one.
Gaz,you know your horses,what do you think of Somersby?
I think he looks a really good prospect, very exciting horse.
I’d have him before Sizing Europe in the betting, but i’ve never been a fan of Sizing Europe.
Not as enthusiastic as myself Gaz,but i appreciate the response.
Tataniano- The horse could be anything, but so far he’s beaten precisely nothing. I generally take no notice of the Nicholls hype machine (Tatenen or Aiteen ThirtyThree anyone?) and if trained by anyone else, on form he would be a 33/1 shot on what he’s achieved. Has anybody any idea why he hasn’t been seen since November?
He hasn’t needed to run. The plan was clearly to have two quick runs give him a break and have one run before Cheltenham. That is standard practice for many Cheltenham prospects – realistically you are not going to have more than 3/4 runs before the Festival. It would clearly be stupid to run him on very soft ground just for the sake of it.
Can you pass on the exact quote suggesting Paul Nicholl’s has talked the horse up. As regards prices 8/1 is too short on what he has achieved but potential is factored in to all prices and he clearly has more of that than rivals who are two or three years older. 33/1 would be a ridiculous quote.
Need to be careful not to ignore a short priced over hyped Nicholls horse because of past seasons. John Morris has put him in his Jumping Prospects book as the Nicholls top eyecatcher for this season [Tatenen was ignored last year]. Says ‘might become a proper horse over fences, as he looked to have the scope for the job last season. He’s an exciting prospect for novice chases’.
I can’t give exact quotes because I’m at work and don’t have access to my files but PN certainly talked him up in his early season stable tour and RP feature, from memory he claimed he was the best jumper of a fence out of all his novice chasers and has repeatedly suggested him as his number 1 for the Arkle. Walsh was even touting him as being an Arkle horse whilst still running over hurdles.
You say 33/1 would be a ridiculous price based on what he’s achieved but Take The Breeze has IMO achieved more over fences than Tataniano, he’s certainly beaten better horses and more convincingly yet is available at those odds on the exchanges. Doesn’t necessarily mean I expect TTB to finish ahead of Tataniano come March though
Moehat- I agree entirely with what you’re saying and it would be no real suprise to me if he hosed up but at current odds and based on what I’ve seen to date he isn’t a betting proposition at present.
Paul Nicholls has stated on numerous occassions that he wants to win the Arkle for Andy Stewart,that is a bigger priority to him than Big Bucks winning another World Hurdle! Anyone who thinks Paul would even contemplate running anything else in the race that could jeopardise the chances of Tataniano winning are treading on "Dangerous" ground,and if they think "Take the Piss/Breeze" could possibly win are suffering from delusions of Grandeur!Thats just one of my humblest of course!
I can’t give exact quotes because I’m at work and don’t have access to my files but PN certainly talked him up in his early season stable tour and RP feature, from memory he claimed he was the best jumper of a fence out of all his novice chasers and has repeatedly suggested him as his number 1 for the Arkle. Walsh was even touting him as being an Arkle horse whilst still running over hurdles.
I would call that giving an honest opinion rather than talking a horse up. It was hardly as if Nicholls started the season with about a dozen obvious candidates for the race. The horse has never been quoted at anything more than 33/1 even before he jumped a fence so he is hardly likely to be that price after two wins.
That’s exactly my point, from memory he was 14/1-16/1 or something before he ever jumped a fence, yet there were promising chasers with far better hurdles form available at more than double that.
TAPK- Yes Nicholls wants the Arkle for the Stewarts but if he thought he had another horse good enough to win the race or even run well then there is no doubt whatsoever they would be running.
Not as enthusiastic as myself Gaz,but i appreciate the response.
I’d be more enthusiastic if i wasn’t on Captain Cee Bee.
TAPK – Take The Breeze is currently 13/8 fav for the Grade 1 Arkle Novice Chase at Leopardstown on Sunday. A prominent show there and he will almost certainly go for the Cheltenham Arkle and will be considerably shorter than he is now.
I also agree that there is absolutely no doubt that Nicholls will run others with Tataniano if he thinks they have a chance. How many has he run against Kauto Star for example. He’s much too shrewd not to know that, in races like that, it very often pays to have more than one arrow in the quiver.
The big negative about Take The Breeze is that the Nicholls camp may feel that he needs heavy ground and he may not get that at Cheltenham.
It might be TAPK who’s quivering on Sunday night though if Ruby hits the target with Take The Breeze on Sunday.
https://theracingforum.co.uk/horse-racing-features/2010/01/a-weekend-full-of-cheltenham-clues-ahead/
Let’s hope for both your sakes that Sizing Europe goes for The Champion Chase
Why’s that, you have him as the one to beat? ? ?
CheltenhamSpecialist wrote:Let’s hope for both your sakes that Sizing Europe goes for The Champion Chase
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Why’s that, you have him as the one to beat? ? ?
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Sizing Europe is the class act in the field, the best hurdler by far and has an unblemished chase record, he looks to be even better over fences.
I don’t think any of Sizing Europe’s hurdles form is better than Captain Cee Bee’s Supreme Novice win.
I don’t think any of Sizing Europe’s hurdles form is better than Captain Cee Bee’s Supreme Novice win.
It’s not.
The best thing he probably did was winning The Greatwood i think it was, but also being in receipt of 6lbs (if i remember correctly) from Osana.
Not exactly ground-breaking stuff.
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