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Salouen was rated based on Cracksman being something like his best. It seems pretty clear connections don’t think he was. The much more logical answer is that Salouen got close to Cracksman without reaching the mark he was awarded. All his other races suggest that is the case. The silence about Cracksman right now is deafening. I’ll be waiting for Salouen to really run to mark he got that one day and then I’ll accept it.
The official handicapper has already admitted to his mistake by lowering Salouen 4 lbs. The horse is 2/20 in his career and won a maiden and a novice stakes in his career. Even his last run, where he was given 109 looks dodgy, as it requires us to believe that the horse in front of him ran a career best at the age of 7 on his 36th start. Hey ho. Believe what you will.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
I’ve backed Crystal Ocean for both the September stakes and Arc, hoping he runs well; although Enable is my favourite horse in training.
Value Is EverythingShe’s a machine!
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
Nice to see Enable back
Enable will probably improve for the run, but don’t forget Crystal Ocean was giving 5 lbs more than weight for age. So if both Enable and Crystal Ocean run to today’s form in the Arc, the filly will beat the colt by only a length and she got an easy lead today.Value Is EverythingBest price now 5/2 with William Hill. Probably averaging 2/1 across the board.
I don’t think you could have asked for more than that, so for that reason I make her 6/4 myself. She had to go out there and do the donkey work but just when it looked Crystal Ocean may pounce, she blew him away.
Looking at Enable today, you would have thought she was the colt and Crystal Ocean the filly. She’s a good bit more imposing than him.
You can forget your Sea Of Class, Enable will destroy her. The form Enable has in the book simply crushes the small amount Sea Of Class has got. If Sea Of Class has a betting slip of form, Enable has the Oxford English Dictionary to trump it with.
Hills have cut to 9/4 already and that’s still worth taking.
Crystal Ocean is as big as 16/1 now.
Job done.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Crystal Ocean is as big as 16/1 now.
Stoute said Crystal Ocean’s target has not been decided yet, may go for the Canadian International or Breeders Cup or Champion Stakes etc etc. When the target is yet to be decided prices offered will be bigger. If Crystal Ocean runs in the Arc he won’t be anything like 16/1.
Value Is EverythingEnable pros…
Won on her comeback.
Beat a good yardstick 85% fit.Enable cons…
The bounce factor.
Wont have the same allowance as last year.
Some very good horses potentially ready to take her on.Hills are in to 2/1 now. Ladbroke are the only firm going 9/4 now.
John Gosden said:-
“She’ll come on for that as she was only 80 per cent fit, 85 at a stretch, but she’s in a good place mentally and she’s enjoyed it”
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Interesting and open question:
Who will ride Cracksman?
I don’t think he would depend on Frankie, but he certainly needs a top jockey.
Murphy would do, and I hope Gosden thinks in this direction.
Thoughts
?When Frankie was suspended Robert Havlin was booked to ride Cracksman in the King George before the horse came out on the day. So hopefully he’d ride. Havlin apparently rides Cracksman at home. With an increasingly quirky animal it might pay to keep to someone who knows the horse and the horse knows him.
Value Is EverythingPersonally, with a filly that’s had leg trouble I would rather take 6/4 on the day/BOG than 2/1 ante-post.
This 80%/85% fit is a load of nonsense; how do you measure fitness? What 80 or 85% means depends solely on what trainer you ask. Does 85% mean she’s a length behind 100%? 3 lengths? Does 80% mean 1 1/2 lengths? 5 lengths?
Personally I wouldn’t expect Enable to be spot on (100%) but wouldn’t think she was too far off.Value Is EverythingYou asuming it’s nonsense, is nonsense
Gosden always says his horses are xx% fit
I’m not going to give my opinion on it as I will get told I don’t understandI will tell you this though, if they both run and Crystal Ocean finishes within a length of Enable I will not post on the forum again for a whole year, expect for competitions and Circus thread
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Cracksman is not quirky!
I know Havlin rides him at home, and I hope it remains this way.
For “le Monstre” Cracksman needs and has deserved a better rider
.Don’t take everything so literally Mark, I mentioned earlier in the thread JG, would likely have her 80% today, just means he’s kept ‘a bit up his sleeve’.
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