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Already 32 non-runners, BUT it’s a very valuable meeting. So it must take place. When horses with recent winning form (like Gold Carrot) on heavy going are out of the race, then what is the real going description?
Well your point about gold carrot is only relevant if the reason he was withdrawn was because of the going. And its inevitable that in a period of dry weather suddenly followed by lots of rain that good ground horses will have been entered only for the rain to disrupt those plans. Not a whole lot can be done really
We only need one more to come out of the Sussex National for that race to be reduced to seven runners and ruin the each-way betting market.
What is the problem exactly RubyLight?
The ground was verging on good-to-firm when the horses were declared. It is now very soft, but perfectly safe and raceable. The TurfTrax going stick readings are freely available on the Racing Post site if you want to know an exact measurement.
Non-runners are inevitable in this situation: neither the track nor connections have done anything wrong.
It’s still a cracking card.
The going’s turned soft from good. Other than that being a pain what’s the problem?
I hear the sound of axe on grinding wheel…
After seeing the finish of the race just over I think its no surprise to see good ground or even soft ground horses taken out. It’s completely bottomless
******g great racing. Backed Bond Conquest last night at 16/1 EW (just look at Seamus Mullins recent run of form) only to experience Rule 4 and no place payout. That’s why it’s good to be a bookie. What about you loudmouth, have you had any winners so far? Is it good to watch and to punt?
Do you really believe bookmakers want a lot of non-runners?
Say three horses all @ 16/1 come out.
Presuming they had the horses priced up correctly and taking their bookmakers mark ups off. Each horse has a 5% chance of winning. 3 x 5 = 15%. So three horses @ 16/1 coming out means 15% of their book has come out. Therefore, bookmakers have effectively laid prices which are bigger than they would’ve offered without those NRs… And yet – unlike betfair punters – bookmakers can not take any reductions from winning bets taken before the three came out.Some things – like one less place for each way betting – are to the advantage of bookmakers.
Other things are in favour of punters.
Swings and roundabouts, one cancels out the other.However, bookmakers price up races knowing non-runners may affect their profit margins. Just as punters know non-runners affect the number of places they’ll be paid out at.
If you don’t like it, don’t bet.May be racecourses should be put in bubbles, so rain can not cause chaos.
Value Is EverythingDo you really believe bookmakers want a lot of non-runners?
Say three horses all @ 16/1 come out.
Presuming they had the horses priced up correctly and taking their bookmakers mark ups off. Each horse has a 5% chance of winning. 3 x 5 = 15%. So three horses @ 16/1 coming out means 15% of their book has come out. Therefore, bookmakers have effectively laid prices which are bigger than they would’ve offered without those NRs… And yet – unlike betfair punters – bookmakers can not take any reductions from winning bets taken before the three came out.Some things – like one less place for each way betting – are to the advantage of bookmakers.
Other things are in favour of punters.
Swings and roundabouts, one cancels out the other.However, bookmakers price up races knowing non-runners may affect their profit margins. Just as punters know non-runners affect the number of places they’ll be paid out at.
If you don’t like it, don’t bet.May be racecourses should be put in bubbles, so rain can not cause chaos.
I backed Sizing Platinum at Fairyhouse at 16/1 EW. First Lord Scoundrel went out then Otago Trail who was just a 9/1 chance at that time. This means roughly a 15% deduction for both non-runners and the loss of a place, which left me with a 13.6/1 shot and just two places. Today he went off at 14/1.
Even worse my bet on Bond Conquest which I backed yesterday evening at 20/1 EW. 5 non-runners, massive deductions and no 2nd place paid out with only 4 runners.And I don’t think that are too many things in favor of the punters since all the books are always over 100% and not under 100%.
And I don’t think that are too many things in favor of the punters since all the books are always over 100% and not under 100%.
Bookies aren’t charities, RL.
I’m surprised a clever cookie like you doesn’t take the likelihood of non-runners into account before placing a bet. Did you check out the weather forecast (and ground preferences of the field) last night? If so, you might have hesitated before pressing the button on a few of those wagers.
Another good example of why 48 hour decs are bad for British Racing.
Of course if they’re had been 24 hour decs for Plumpton today it would have made no difference but if the rain had fallen 24 hours earlier it would have made a big difference with 24 hour decs.
Most of the non runners today would not have been declared plus other horses who prefer softer ground would have been.
The weather is too unpredictable in this country, the ground can change overnight and I see no good reason in this day and age why 24 hour decs aren’t used for the vast majority of racing here.
We were there and had a good day out! Number of non runners was disappointing of course but the rain fell overnight so not much anyone could do. The hailstorm during the first didn’t inspire confidence but picked up afterwards and the sun came out. The ground didn’t seem that bad (though clearly pretty soft). No fences or hurdles had to be omitted and (as far as I am aware) there were no injuries so I don’t see any reason why it should have been called off. Might be another story tomorrow of course….
I was there too and I love the course. I agree the ground was not bottomless but it was definitely tough for some horses so maybe it’s best described as very tacky maybe?
But can it call the meeting a “joke”. Not everything is about whether there are enough runners for three places each way ffs. Its as charming a course as you can find and I would take anyone there to show them how wonderful racing can be at small venues
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