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Quote: from gamble on 3:29 pm on Feb. 11, 2007[br]<br> A warm melrose Toddy :biggrin:<br> and all this bitching is endemic of Blair’s society<br> and it is a great pity that Alice,<br> fine horsewoman that she is,<br> cannot jump in here to defend herself <br>
Was Alice’s application to join the forum rejected then?
Again, welcome to the forum toddy.
" But a lot of broadcasters/jockeys etc who get criticised on forums like this are doing their best and I don’t suppose people who post anonymously on this and other boards would ever have the guts to make their observations directly to their faces"
I’m all for ex-jockeys etc joining the racing presentation teams, but that shouldn’t be their only qualification. The nature of the job is presentation and customer/viewer entertainment and it isn’t a job that the majority can do.
Much of the presentation is lightweight, none more obvious than when controversy raises it’s head. I believe there are many out in the wilderness that could add to the quality of the racing production, but I get the impression that it is very much a case of ‘who you know’ rather than ability, that gets the job.
This is a subject that has been raised many times before, the same names seem to get a negative response and the same names get the positive, much of it qualified with examples. No presenter will be ideal for all viewers, but there is a level of acceptability that will cover the general audience.
If I was an honest presenter, then I would look at topics such as this and try to alter my style, always looking for improvement.
Regarding Alice in particular, I believe she has a place in the broadcast team, not as an upfront presenter, but for the casual viewer and for overall production, her bonhomie/cliquey style at the presentation fence/hurdle before the Festival races looks good on TV. It means little to the hardcore racefan, but they are not the be-all and end-all to the production.
For the record, I would be hopeless as a presenter, but when people are being paid to do a job, then a certain standard should be expected by the paying customer.
I appreciate I made my point rather strongly, maybe too strongly, but it came from the heart. We’re all entitled to an opinion, but there’s a difference between having a private conversation with a mate and putting it here for all the world to see. This is the first time I’ve been moved to post, all in defence of someone I don’t know, strange really. Anyway, I’ve had my say, next time I hope to contribute something more cheerful. Thanks for a great forum, I really enjoy reading most things on TRF
:old:<br> <br> I haven’t yet been granted access to failed applications DeeJay<br> Sadly few public people come on here<br> even the daring Zorro brings a mask<br> I wonder why that is :laugh:<br> I suspect our chance of seeeing Alice on here<br> are as great as seeing her win the Pardubicka <br> on a minuiature Falabella called vet my breaches
To be honest toddy, I see nothing wrong in your ‘presentation’ and unlike many on these types of discussion forums, you can accept a difference of opinion from others.
I don’t think it was too strongly put at all, it’s a pity these presenters that we watch on our racing programmes don’t ‘present’ with the same passion.
I do think that there is a difference between having a private conversation and a public forum.
The people/person in question is in the public domain, putting forward a programme for us to watch and by subscription, pay for. That makes us entitled to opinion and in my view open to public debate. However, what Alice for instance, does in her private life is no business of mine or a discussion board as long as it doesn’t influence the programme content.
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I’m not lucky enough to have Racing UK but I like Alice. She doesn’t take herself too seriously and I think she is fairly knowledgeable.
I think it’s only a matter of time before someone has a breakdown or tries to top themselves as a result of sniping on a board like this – and how would you feel if it was your comment that caused it?
<br>Live on RUK maybe? " b*****d
s at trf. You will regret this! BANG":cheesy:
Miss Plunkett is a competent judge of horseflesh, pedigree and riding but has little knowledge of – and I would guess little interest in- ‘form’ and ‘betting’ and is therefore not the ideal candidate to present a racing prog and ask the right questions of, and meld with, the guest pundit whose job is primarily to discuss ‘who will win the race’. As a result of this unequal match she appears lightweight and vacuous albeit professionally slick enough to steer a seamless show.
Deploy her paddock side, subsidiary to the presenter and pundit.
Actually I find her fizzy, jolly-hockey-sticks persona quite endearing really: only a girl from a privileged background enjoying the fortuitously comfortable life that it has allowed and without, it would seem, a care in the world.
The blessing/burden of curt self confidence, a hallmark of the upper echelons, does tend to be misinterpreted as aloof snobbery by the uninitiated.
<br>She’ll never be one of my favourites but I don’t really have an opinion on Plunkett as there are far worse pundits around.
However, do we really need to hear bragging about how she has been giving riding lessons to Madonna?
The people/person in question is in the public domain, putting forward a programme for us to watch and by subscription, pay for. That makes us entitled to opinion and in my view open to public debate.
So, what some of you are saying is that, if someone chooses to do a job in the public eye, and you don’t enjoy their contribution, it gives you the moral right to insult and humiliate them in front of other people. Can members of TRF really be that horrible? I’m sure even broadcasters – a few rhino-skinned types apart – must have feelings and are not all the "look at me" egomaniacs some of you seem to think
Welcome toddy and good point ~ criticism is justified here, but sometimes we cross the line between criticism and abuse.
Various members of Racing’s happy media family have recieved far, far worse ridicule at the hands of TRF, Toddy – though you are to be commended for standing up your friend.
I feel you’re overreacting slightly; I’ve seen nothing over here which approaches the mindless, cowardly, unmoderated venom coursing through the veins of that other forum you mention. I’d be surprised if anyone here lowered themselves to post there either.
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