Alan Swinbank, the claimer’s friend…

[sberry]

i’m not sure about that davidjohnson, i’ve stood in front of a trainer while he told the owner his horse wouldn’t be winning it’s next 3 races as its mark needed to come down and the odds needed to go out, "easy to do, it’ll just run over wrong distances or surfaces and if the stewards ask about a surprise result they always accept the previous runs as ‘i thought it might like that distance or going’ etc "

however, the reason for my thinking the 5k fine should go to the jockey and owner as well is that it would then become harder to make doing such a thing viable as 3 x 5k is a lot to nick back on the exchanges or a bigger deterrent against duffer runs to lower marks or more to the point, if a trainer does it without the owner knowing and the owner gets a 5k fine the owner might look for a new trainer which would cost the trainer more

i just know that it’s obvious deterrents aren’t big enough and don’t work if they don’t stop people doing it – therefore they must be made harsher and harsher until the problem is eliminated

[Wallace]

Take the trainers license away for 6 or 12 months and ban the horse for same period this type of blatant "Not off" may be less attractive for cheating connections. A £5k fine is nothing.

This was almost as bad as the Dick Allan/Brian Storey incident at Kelso and Allan was unemployed for a decent period.

[berminn]

What is McCoy paid to do? Is his job to finish in the money for the owner? Or is it to ride out for 10th place for the benefit of spread/match bets thus giving the horse a harder time. Surley he has every right to walk over the line when it was clear he had no chance of winning any money having hopefully done his best up until then. If I owned a horse and the jock even rode it ‘with hands’ for a 10th instead of 11th place, I would be a bit miffed unless it had done the horse some good. People who spread/match bet take this risk. Just my opinion.

Crizzy, the rulling is as follows;

The general requirement is that every horse must be ridden in such a way that the Rider can be seen to have made a genuine attempt to obtain from his horse timely, real and substantial efforts to achieve the best possible placing. It is not necessary to use the whip to satisfy this requirement but a Rider must give his horse at least a ‘hands and heels’ ride

McCoy made zero effort and as the other poster said, there are numerous other bets affected by McCoys lack of effort and I lost a match bet purely due to the jockeys laziness.

[crizzy]

Berminn, Thanks for your answer. That’s cleared that up, I didn’t know that. but why don’t these jockeys get the same treatment as those who ‘don’t try to win?’ There would be bans left, right and centre? Seems a bit double standards to me.

[Fist of Fury 2k8]

i’m not sure about that davidjohnson, i’ve stood in front of a trainer while he told the owner his horse wouldn’t be winning it’s next 3 races as its mark needed to come down and the odds needed to go out, "easy to do, it’ll just run over wrong distances or surfaces and if the stewards ask about a surprise result they always accept the previous runs as ‘i thought it might like that distance or going’ etc "

however, the reason for my thinking the 5k fine should go to the jockey and owner as well is that it would then become harder to make doing such a thing viable as 3 x 5k is a lot to nick back on the exchanges or a bigger deterrent against duffer runs to lower marks or more to the point, if a trainer does it without the owner knowing and the owner gets a 5k fine the owner might look for a new trainer which would cost the trainer more

i just know that it’s obvious deterrents aren’t big enough and don’t work if they don’t stop people doing it – therefore they must be made harsher and harsher until the problem is eliminated

A point you are missing is that not all owners are gamblers. His trainer might tell him the horse will need a race but unless they are very close he won’t be told they are actually stopping it because they think this or that might be a bit special and want to wait for a better opportunity. On the day it’s trying the owner might only be told they think it could win…..owner might stick a fiver on it and be over the moon he has won a race….trainer wins 50k, that type of owner wouldn’t give a hoot and be delighted for him..the point is how can you possibly start fining owners who could be a totally innocent party?

[Pompete]

IMV, forget fines and suspension – stick a 21Ibs penalty on the horse for its next 6 runs. This penalty to be reduced to 7Ibs for 3 runs if the horse is moved to different trainer.

In addition all trainers to hand in to the stewards written jockey instructions prior to the race, signed by both the trainer and jockey. These instructions should remain sealed and only opened in the event of an inquiry and may be used by either party.

[LetsGetRacing]

I don’t know about the penalties, Pompete, but the submission of sealed riding instructions (perhaps in conjunction with a rundown of the horse’s health and prospects for the race) should certainly be considered for the next half-dozen outings.

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