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  • #23757
    Avatar photoSea Pigeon
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    Likely runners

    Oscar Whisky
    Thousand Stars
    Zarkander
    The New One
    Grandouet
    Countrywide Flame
    Raya Star
    Prospect Wells
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    Have taken a view that The New One will take this best odds 7/2 with bet 365

    #434795
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    Likely runners

    Oscar Whisky
    Thousand Stars
    Zarkander
    The New One
    Grandouet
    Countrywide Flame
    Raya Star
    Prospect Wells
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    Have taken a view that The New One will take this best odds 7/2 with bet 365

    Im on Zarkandar at big prices ante-post but I was really disappointed with him at Cheltenham. I just wonder if he has the scope for progression? It looks like a wide open race.

    SHL

    #434806
    TomBarkley87
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    Thousand Stars has been laid out for this and skipped Cheltenham with this in mind. Can’t imagine that was his true running last time out and would give him a big chance at decent odds. The New One does look a beast though.

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    I like Grandouet in this, not sure how much The New One will have left after his Cheltenham win.

    #434846
    Avatar photoAlderbrook2013
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    Where is the pace coming from in this race? Possibly Zarkandar with first time blinkers? If Ruby could set a slow gallop that might suit him, but I can’t see this being a true run race.

    Quite like the 1st and 2nd from the past two years. Oscar Whisky has a bit more to prove after that hard race on heavy in January, which I suspect was the reason for his dismal World Hurdle run. If NJH has him back to his best then 6/1 is good.

    However, I think Thousand Stars at 10/1 is better value as he has more time to recover from his "flop", likes this course and distance, comes to hand at this time and is a big price considering he has twice finished 2nd (to Oscar Whisky) in the race.

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    Agreed alderbrook, although the lack of potential pace is a concern.

    #434986
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    Didn’t get around to posting this during Cheltenham, but I now admit Twiston-Davies was right to imply The New One could be the best he has trained, and I ate a lot of humble pie.

    I was a big Puffin Billy fan but he ran poorly in the Supreme, whereas The New One rewarded me when chasing my Puffin and Rock On Ruby losses.

    I won’t desert him tomorrow as he seemed to have plenty left in the tank scooting up Cheltenham’s hill and Pont Alexandre, Ireland’s banker, was made to look one paced – which he obviously isn’t. Its a measure of NTD’s regard for The New One that he pitches him into open company as a novice.

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    Starting to lean towards The New One now too, also like Prospect Wells at his current odds (20/1)

    #435030
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    The New One could be a bit special, ground and trip to suit, don’t think he had a hard race at Chelt as PA set it up for him. He’ll do for me.

    Had a saver on Grandouet, will be a big threat if he sees out the trip.

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    I said after the Champion Hurdle that it didn’t look like a vintage renewal. That theory gets an airing, in part at least, today. I backed Grandouet that day and expected him to play a big part in the finish before he capsized. His record when staying on his feet is impressive and he is the danger if he gets the trip in my opinion. Both Countrywide Flame and Zarkander look as if they lack a bit of tactical pace and although the former is fairly widely tipped today, I think he would be better in a mudbath scenario. Step forward my old pal The New One, who I implored people to keep the faith in after he was worn down by At Fishers Cross before bouncing back at the festival. I think he has the raw talent and potential to step up against his elders today and I read an article this week that stated that the New One was clocked at 32 mph at the same stage of his race where Hurricane fly was measured at 27 mph in the Champion Hurdle.

    Put your pedal to the metal son. The New One to win. Only bet of the meeting for me outside of the National, although I will watch Silviano Conti and Spritner Sacre with great interest.

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

    #435053
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    Although he has probably improved his rating courtesy of running against supposedly better horses I must admit to not being surprised that The New One has been eased for the Champion Hurdle. Another slowly run race on a sharp track should have played to his strengths but having had every chance he has wilted close home against a horse who has already been found wanting in two Champion Hurdles. Different conditions but that is now the second time that The New One has come up short having looked like winning. He needs to improve with age and given that he isn’t the biggest I don’t think that is any certainty. Even at a slow pace he managed to throw in one very sloppy error and you have to wonder if those sort of errors might multiply in a fast run two mile.

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    Although I write this with testicular pain still resonating from a rather painful kicking, I think The New One ran a great race for a novice. Zarkandar is not quite up there in terms of class but he’s a very useful tool and along with Countrywide Flame he gives a marker to measure The New One against.

    You can perhaps question The New One’s resilience having had two races seemingly at his mercy and being run out of it on each occasion, however, the way I see it, he has run out of petrol both times and the drop back in trip looks the correct route for him now. He was touted here as a future Gold Cup winner, perhaps multiple winner, but I can’t see that ever being possible given the stamina issues that seem blindingly obvious. He is still a young lad though and another year could see him perhaps a bit more battle hardened and I wouldn’t rule out improvement just because he isn’t one of John Francome’s trouser viagra inducing monsters in the paddock. If anything I would be more inclined to bet on him for next year’s Champion Hurdle now. Something is going to come along and swat The Fly shortly and it might just be this lad. If it doesn’t happen, I am going to get another almighty kick in the knackers and might just need a New One myself!!

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

    #435064
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    he may have stamina issues, but he certainly stayed better than the horse I backed, grandouet, who was out with the washing :shock:

    #435068
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    Although I write this with testicular pain still resonating from a rather painful kicking, I think The New One ran a great race for a novice. Zarkandar is not quite up there in terms of class but he’s a very useful tool and along with Countrywide Flame he gives a marker to measure The New One against.

    You can perhaps question The New One’s resilience having had two races seemingly at his mercy and being run out of it on each occasion, however, the way I see it, he has run out of petrol both times and the drop back in trip looks the correct route for him now. He was touted here as a future Gold Cup winner, perhaps multiple winner, but I can’t see that ever being possible given the stamina issues that seem blindingly obvious. He is still a young lad though and another year could see him perhaps a bit more battle hardened and I wouldn’t rule out improvement just because he isn’t one of John Francome’s trouser viagra inducing monsters in the paddock. If anything I would be more inclined to bet on him for next year’s Champion Hurdle now. Something is going to come along and swat The Fly shortly and it might just be this lad. If it doesn’t happen, I am going to get another almighty kick in the knackers and might just need a New One myself!!

    I think we did discover a combination in Our Conor and Bryan Cooper who would have been quite capable of putting it up to an ageing Hurricane Fly. Unfortunately, that hope has been extinguished with his post Cheltenham sale.

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    It was an odd race. Oscar Whisky turned up despite Geraghty seeming to know the horse was not quite right, plus the obvious non-stayer Grandouet was inexplicably running here in favour of the Punchestown two miler.

    It is hard to know what to make of Zarkandar. He did travel very well with the headgear and seemed improved, but there must be some doubts as to whether they will continue to have the same effect. I don’t think The New One is ungenuine. He just ran into a horse who really wanted to win. If the headgear continues to work, I would give Zarkandar another shot at the Champion Hurdle.

    Unless Our Conor steps up, only the awfully-ungenuine My Tent Or Yours seems to stand as a legitimate threat to the ageing Hurricane Fly. Assuming Our Conor falls short of the top level and Hurricane Fly declines slightly, I would certainly fancy a scrapper such as Zarkandar closing in on the last at Cheltenham against MTOS. With so much depending on what the horses show next season, I think it would be insane to get involved in the ante-post market at this point.

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    My own take on the race is that Ruby Walsh’s vast experience and considerable ability was the crucial and deciding factor as he and young Sam Twiston-Davies went head to head to the line.

    Zarkander won’t get near The New One next season.

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    With so much depending on what the horses show next season, I think it would be insane to get involved in the ante-post market at this point.

    Ante-post always carries dangers but looking at next year’s race, you have to think Old Father Time will have caught up with Hurricane Fly by then. My Tent Or Yours is a horse who has still to prove to me that he’s the real deal and if I owned Zarkandar I would be thinking about aiming him at the World Hurdle with the possibility that Big Bucks doesn’t come back or is not the horse he was (which has to happen one day) therefore leaving a prize, which, with all due respect to Solwhit, looks ripe for picking up. That leaves the young pretender Our Conor, who was as impressive as anything at Cheltenham, having a near bullet-proof look about him but what he beat remains to be seen and Rolling Star didn’t do much for the form in the opener today. The New One has had a good season despite two reversals that we could have done without and if he comes back in the winter, with some maturing behind him and a sharper attitude to his jumping, he should be nigh on certain to be a contender if the Champion Hurdle is the route they choose. He runs as if he will be as effective at the shorter trip, if not improving for it and he has come up the hill in front already, so has no concern there. At 9/1 with Bet Victor he seems to stand out as worth a go because I don’t think his odds will get any better unless a leg falls off during the summer.

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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