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Really is pathetic that Ballydoyle and Coolmore have had to resort to this to keep the stud fees up. They’ve screwed up in a colossal way, paying A$25m for a horse who’s clearly not all that. We’ve heard the rubbish before, ‘this horse has got unbelievable pace’, ‘he’s so quick but he stays well’, ‘we’ve always thought this horse could walk on water’, ‘we wouldn’t mind running him in a July Cup’, ‘this horse covers in 1 strike what it takes others in 2’, blah blah blah, but to say after 2 runs within the past 45 days that he wasn’t fit is embarrassing. I would’ve thought that Aidan’s lost a lot of fans today, myself included.
Does Aidan have any fans?
I don’t know if they’ve screwed up in a colossal way. It’s not quite The Green Monkey all over again for Coolmore!
Whatever happens here, So You Think remains a dual Cox Plate winner and will retain a lot of popularity in Australasia.
EDIT – Taking another look, whether SYT will improve for fitness or not, he was asked to do something he wasn’t in Australia. This was by far the strongest run race over 10f he’s had in his career. It’s the first 10f race where he’s come home slower in the final 3f’s than the overall average speed of the race.
To blame fitness is stupid, SYT had two prep races for C’s sake. Although it was yet again a poorly thought out race tactically. SYT has speed enough for a mile, yet they played in to the hands of Godolphin by making it a test of stamina. Rewilding is underestimated, Voltigeur a Group 1 performance in a Group 2. A severe test, after what was already a fast pace SYT went for home too soon. Could be AOB’s charge is better than yesterday suggests, but for pace reasons not fitness.
Value Is EverythingAs any father would do he is protecting his son. I lost a fortune yesterday but i am looking at his Son to blame.
What a disaster he had…bumping into SYT and then failing to do his job properly. Joesph O Brien cost SYT the race and not the training techniques.
Mind you he was hardly going to send his son to vultures of the press after that.
I am no lover of the wholly unnatural way that AOB communicates ( talks much and says little) but I am not losing faith with So You Think after the POW stakes………there was much not to like about the way the horse sweated and pulled during the race and I am as sure as I can be that it wasn’t his true running even though the form it showed even in defeat was far from poor.
As any father would do he is protecting his son. I lost a fortune yesterday but i am looking at his Son to blame.
What a disaster he had…bumping into SYT and then failing to do his job properly. Joesph O Brien cost SYT the race and not the training techniques.
Mind you he was hardly going to send his son to vultures of the press after that.
Jan Vermeer is usually held up, not used to blasting out of the stalls and making the running. So no surprise to me what happened at the start. Then So You Think started pulling, so Master O did the right thing to go wide so as to not set SYT even more alight. However, he came in a touch too soon (slight mistake). Then continued to go much too far clear, so completely ignored by the others (big mistake).
Big problem I have with both Jan Vermeer and Rerouted’s rides is they weren’t trying to win with their horses. Which is against the rules of racing. If there was not a stable companion in those races connections would be done for
non-triers
. No horse could keep that pace up until the line! Yes, by all means make it a strongly run race, but don’t go 5f pace at 1m2f. That’s suicidal for their mount’s chance, however insignificant their chance beforehand.
Value Is EverythingHe injected a sprint pace you could say from the 10f to Tatts Corner turning SYT keen in the first 2f to trying to chase a stupid pace.
I still am struggling to get around such a professional operation would not use Windsor Castle but used the Derby Favorite for last year over 10f.
They made a mess of it and should go back to the drawing board.
He still is a Superstar Horse IMO
Take Rewilding out of the race and we’d still be calling SYT a superstar – fast time, overcome difficulties, but still beats a French group 1 winner by six lengths plus, with the Eclipse and Champion Stakes winner given the biggest beating of his entire career.
So perhaps Rewilding is the real deal, has improved as a 4-y-old, and we should be looking forward to his meeting with Workforce and St Nicholas Abbey at Ascot next month.
The trainer’s reported remarks seem to me to be just more evidence that talking to coonections in the immediate aftermath of a big race is a waste of time for all concerned. It just pushes the trainer into a corner to come up with something, anything, when a period of silence might be best all round.
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Take Rewilding out of the race and we’d still be calling SYT a superstar – fast time, overcome difficulties, but still beats a French group 1 winner by six lengths plus, with the Eclipse and Champion Stakes winner given the biggest beating of his entire career.
So perhaps Rewilding is the real deal, has improved as a 4-y-old, and we should be looking forward to his meeting with Workforce and St Nicholas Abbey at Ascot next month.
The trainer’s reported remarks seem to me to be just more evidence that talking to coonections in the immediate aftermath of a big race is a waste of time for all concerned. It just pushes the trainer into a corner to come up with something, anything, when a period of silence might be best all round.
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You may well be right about SYT being a superstar. But cherry-picking the horses behind him to praise his performance might mislead. You left out Sri Putra beaten 6L by SYT. His last few races were:
Beaten 3.25L by Jet Way at levels
Beaten 4L by Snow Fairy giving her 7lb – weight for age and sex.
Beaten 8L by Twice Over at levels
Beaten 2.5L by Indian Days at levels
Beaten 0.5L by Twice Over at levels
Beaten 30L by Stotsfold giving 3lbs
Beating Tranquil Tiger by 1L receiving 3lbsI am not saying that Sri Putra is a bad horse, he is clearly a good one. But a Sri Putra at his best being beaten 6L by SYT does not make SYT a superstar. I can’t believe that Planteur beaten 0.5L and Twice Over beaten 10L gave their best running.
I think we should judge Rewilding and SYT and the beating they gave Sri Putra.
Really is pathetic that Ballydoyle and Coolmore have had to resort to this to keep the stud fees up. They’ve screwed up in a colossal way, paying A$25m for a horse who’s clearly not all that.
$25M Where did u read that. Is that public noledge?
I read it on Wikipedia but I’m sure I read the same figure before. I actually seem to remember hearing A$40m at one point.
Of more concern than some overrated import should be AOB’s current strike rate in Ireland. Wild Wind has just become his 39th consecutive loser.
He couldn’t resist saying they’re going to run Fame and Glory in the Arc for the benefit of the breeders. I’d want 10/1 that he even runs.
The Green Monkey did not go for 16 Million he was already sold privately to Coolmore for half that price and was only done in order to break the world record fee for Forestry. Don’t ask me why but that what happened according to the Yanks.
Secondly if they sold their controlling share of 25 Million Aussie dollars that is still a sweet deal. He stand for around 80,000 Dollars and say 50,000 euros. He dual stallion meaning they will double their money.
Conservative estimates of 100 Mares at 80,000 dollars
70 mares at 50,0008,000,000 For first season down under
3,500,000 Europeso say 11.5 Million for one year then say 10 years maybe 15 years….150 million and that is conservative.
Please Coolmore are the most professional outfit in the World. Down under they be smashing down the door to use SYT.
Of course their is a agenda against Coolmore they are successful and breed champions every year. If there was not people with a chip on their shoulder i be surprised.
Coolmore is a Business. Vincent O Brien nearly brought the operation to its knee’s until John Magnier became the controlling interest and the rest is history.
The Arab owners are dictators that spend Millions on Horseflesh and let their own countrymen and women live in poverty. Lets remember they are using the Country’s money to live this hobby despite a country that owes billions to international creditors.
The question in that piece you quoted are all well known policies in Bloodstock to distort the market for your stallions. The implication of those question IMO are largely correct. He isn’t squeaky clean but name a rich man that is
I think there’d be a fair chance that FOG would run at Longchamp. Nothing to lose. He’ll prob be their best chance in it anyway.
Vincent O’Brien (with his burning desire to train the best the world had to offer) may have been influential in them buying at prices above what they should have been paying in the early 80’s but he created some of the stallions that made Coolmore. Notably Sadler’s Wells but also many more that set them up for prolonged domination.
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