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Can’t wait until 4 years time to the new thread.
A NEW START WITH FARAGE
As each day passes, the actions of Starmer make that more likely. The gift that keeps giving, my has anybody turned so many against him so quickly!
moehat why do the fishing community feel betrayed with that deal you are mentioning? so they dont think its a life saver, but maybe it will be
Do you really believe that Farage is the saviour of this country?
Yes I really do moehat.
Number 1, we will come out of the ECHR.
There will be proper action around immigration, legal and illegal.
End to woke and DEI.
End to Net Zero, or at least make changes gradually rather than the race to be broke.
And then you have proper border controls, policing, etc etc etc there is so so much to put right.My only concern is the left and will they actually make way for a centre right party to take power, given they hold control in just about everywhere that matters.
The farming and fishing industries were betrayed. That betrayal was called Brexit. It was sold to them by liars, crooks and conmen with surnames such as Johnson and Farage plus plenty of shadowy figures in the background. To a man and a woman they damn well knew all along that the whole thing was completely unworkable and would be highly damaging. It was never going to be a success and never will be. Good on Labour for actually doing something about it, it’s a start at least. The fact that the only real criticism offered is in relation to the tiny fishing industry suggests that there’s not much wrong with the rest of it.
However, do please excuse those of us who knew this was a disastrous idea all along if we get exasperated at people who feel betrayed deciding that the way to deal with that is to vote for the very people who lied to them in the first place and landed them in this mess.
And seeing as everyone is so interested in polling these days, go and have a look at the Brexit related ones.
All these young people getting so worked up about Brexit.
What a pity so many of them couldn’t be bothered getting off their backsides to vote.
GSP. You do realise that the ECHR protects you and me. And that Brexit took us out of the Dublin Arrangement which is why we can’t send migrants back to another EU country.
Moehat it’s a waste of time talking to people that believe in fairys.
I've stumbled on the side of twelve misty mountains
I've walked and I crawled on six crooked highways“GSP. You do realise that the ECHR protects you and me”.
It seems it depends who you and me are moehat………
Brexit largely happened because it was the preferred option of lots of traditionally Labour inclined constituencies in the North of England. The blue areas on the map voted leave:
If it mattered so much to them, it made no sense at the last General Election to vote for a party led by someone who was openly opposed to Brexit, had campaigned for a second referendum and admitted he prefers being in Davos to Westminster.
There is no helping some people. Perhaps we get the leaders we deserve.
I said on the 24th June 2016 that the referendum was a farcical, dishonest sham which the political class had not the slightest intention of honouring. I have never changed my mind about it and yesterday I was proven right.
General Elections are a dishonest sham as well, serving only to fool the gullible into thinking they have a choice. Even if Reform wins (which I don’t think will happen) it wouldn’t be allowed to do anything.
All these young people getting so worked up about Brexit.
And so they should be. You yourself said that you’re glad you’re older now. It’s not the only reason but Brexit has had a big hand in why we have so many problems. It has been and continues to be an economic and political disaster. We’ve had nine years and still nobody can really come up with any tangible benefits and certainty not enough to counter the many drawbacks. It’s a failed process and good on Labour for finally doing something to bring us closer to the market of half a billion people that is located on our doorstep. Shame they had to burn so much goodwill with the Farage tribute act first.
As for the chart it shows that in general, support for EU membership is higher amongst younger people. The older ones are of course dying off and what a wonderful legacy they’ve left their children and grandchildren.
And if you want to see what ‘worked up’ looks like then look no further than the non dom and foreign owned right wing press this morning. Clueless the lot of them, spend a year kicking Labour on the economy and now they do something that might actually help they’re apoplectic.
An opinion poll today now has the Conservatives in fourth place, behind Labour, Reform and the Liberal Democrats. That’s right, Olukemi Olufunto Adegoke Badenoch is now considered less credible than someone who spent the entire General Election campaign doing this:
Only a matter of time before she is ousted. Not that it matters much.
Richard, how difficult was it to vote? The EU referendum was not like a General Election. I can understand some people not voting then because their vote may not matter, depending on where they live. None of that applied in 2016. Everyone’s vote was equal and no votes were wasted. Anyone who didn’t vote can’t complain.
Having said that, as I said above the whole thing was an exercise in dishonesty anyway. The political class had no intention of honouring a Leave vote, including the Conservatives (most of the parliamentary party wanted to Remain).
There is a principle in parliamentary democracy that no Parliament can bind its successor, so it could certainly be argued that no generation can do the same to a younger generation either.
Despite what I said, I didn’t vote in the referendum but that was a result of serious illness at the time. However, I must have been rather unusual in not really caring about the outcome either way. If the result had been the other way, I wouldn’t have minded much.
The whole thing was bizarre really. David Cameron (someone Oxford University wants us to believe is in possession of a first class mind) seemed to get it into his head that UKIP was a threat, when it wasn’t. He also had a few sceptics in his party but they were a minority.
Nonetheless he decided to offer the idea of a referendum, fully expecting the 2015 General Election to be a hung Parliament. Then he could go into coalition with the Liberals again but drop the referendum pledge as part of the deal.
Of course, he was too clever for his own good. He ended up winning, partly because the Liberal vote collapsed and partly because he was up against Ed Miliband (someone who thought the Ed Stone was a good idea). He ended up hoist by his own petard and having to have a referendum he didn’t believe in.
I think the Remain Establishment underestimated the level of discontent with the EU, especially amongst the older generation and in the North. But the Leave side miscalculated on how much the result would be opposed and were naive to believe the Establishment would ever allow it.
I think Starmer was in effect chosen and tasked with reversing Brexit – but his curious rise to be Prime Minister is a whole other subject.
It’s no good the LEFT complaining about Brexit when the referendum was won because of the LEFT.
Had Corbyn and his Labour pals stood on the same platform as Cameron – for REMAIN – it would’ve made the difference between winning and losing. Considering how small the winning margin was.
Enough Labour supporters voted Leave purely because they wanted to vote against the Prime Minister / against the leader of the Conservatives – David Cameron.
Value Is EverythingFishing is “small beer” nowadays. That’s the problem.
The number of fishermen declined from 28,000 in 1960 to 21,000 in 1970… Recovering a little to 23,000 in the early 1980’s. In 1990 there were around 20,000 people employed.So the fishing decline has been happening for many decades. In all probability over many years thanks to the Common Fisheries Policy (brought in supposedly to stop “over fishing”). While territorial water boundaries had increased from 12 to 200 miles.
By 2021 that had almost halved to around 11,000, with the fishing fleet reduced by 33% since 1990.
Britain is now a net importer of fish, which is just plain daft…
By extending the awful Fisheries deal to 12 years can only decimate the fishing industry even further; instead of bringing it back to what it was in the 1960’s.
Brexit didn’t help the fishing industry. But only because those working Brexit out were under massive pressure to get “a deal”… Because a “no deal” Brexit was thought too hard to take for the whole country…
This time, Starmer hasn’t just ignored the plight of the fisherman. He’s thrown them under the trawler!
Value Is EverythingThe far left didn’t support vote remain. I did a lot of campaigning both pre and post referendum and it was mainly with Conservative and LibDem supporters. The far left have always been Europe sceptics. And UKIP were a threat to the Conservatives. If not how come Reform have now overtaken the Conservatives in the polls. Unfortunately the party tried to be more UKIP than UKIP instead of sticking to the middle ground and it has destroyed them. Not helped by Johnson throwing out many of the decent members of his party and Truss trashing the economy.
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