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    Blackcountry Kid
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    Just came across this little snippet from the Treasury document …
    ‘We are not increasing National Insurance Contributions.But also we are raising £26 bn extra per year from National Insurance Contributions’
    :scratch: :scratch: :wacko: :wacko:
    good luck to all

    #1712044
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    Amesbury has been formally charged with assault.

    #1712051
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    cc: Donald Trump

    This little gem from a few years ago has appeared at The Telegraph site:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/11/07/rayner-called-trump-buffoon-who-has-no-place-in-white-house/

    #1712056
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    Another interest drop , another help with those mortgages sent into orbit by Truss , Bank of England also stating while inflation may rise slightly it wont be of concern , adults back in charge , confidence rising , investment coming in , but hey Labour’s doing a bad job ….

    #1712074
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    I assume the rate cut will be front page news tomorrow along with a slight rise in the pound like it was last week when the right wing press was trying to pretend Labour’s budget was anything like Truss and Kwarteng’s.

    As for the things Labour politicians said about Trump, which of them are untrue?

    #1712076
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    “As for the things Labour politicians said about Trump, which of them are untrue?”

    Plenty of them. I wouldn’t say I am an admirer of Trump and there are entirely legitimate grounds on which he can be criticised. But calling him a “fascist” and suggesting he is a member of the KKK as Lammy did is immature nonsense.

    It is one thing making silly, student politics comments in Opposition when you have no responsibility for anything. But you might be in government one day and that demands a more mature, tactful approach. It also means you have to meet and work with people who you don’t like.

    There was always a good chance Trump would win the Republican nomination again. That meant there was a chance he could become President once more. Now he will be next January and will be the most important politician in the Western world. And Starmer and Lammy have ensured he is not going to look on the British government favourably. Sending Labour activists to openly campaign for Harris was a spectacularly stupid thing to do.

    I have never believed in the “special relationship”. Several American Presidents have been hostile to Britain, some more upfront about it than others. But Trump was at least sympathetic (not surprising given his background). It is not sensible to have potentially squandered that goodwill. Trump doesn’t strike me as the forgiving type and there is little doubt the relationship between Washington and London is going to be strained.

    Politicians need to think about what they are saying. It is not a job for them to make self indulgent statements. They are representing the country and their words and actions have consequences for real people and for the economy. Upsetting a vital trading partner is not sensible.

    In all honesty, I think Lammy’s position as Foreign Secretary is untenable. Starmer will have to move him.

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    I have no doubt Lammy wrote the first tweet. I very much doubt he wrote the second. That looks like it has been drafted by the Foreign Office press department and Lammy has copied it out.

    #1712091
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    https://edition.cnn.com/2024/07/15/politics/kfile-jd-vance-comments-trump/index.html

    Have a look what Trump’s own running mate said about him. Some of it is almost exactly the same.

    I understand the need for Labour to be diplomatic now they’re in Government and if he can bury the hatchet with Vance then why not Labour too? God is apparently on his side so as the good Christian he no doubt is surely a bit of forgiveness is in order :yes:

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    #1712102
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    Joined at the hip ….. Labour & Unions?
    Came across this yesterday.
    ‘…of the 111 ministers no less than 100 are members of at least one union..’
    GMB………….. 56
    UNITE…………31
    UNISON……….27
    COMMUNITY…..24
    USDAW… ……. 20
    good luck to all

    #1712106
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    I’m pleased to see that.

    I've stumbled on the side of twelve misty mountains
    I've walked and I crawled on six crooked highways
    #1712110
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    Another point about ‘things people have said on Twitter’. Musk was spewing out rubbish about the UK and Labour not so long ago, think he Tweeted an outright fake article at one point. He’s been very central to Trump’s campaign and may yet have some role in his administration. Why are those criticising Labour not doing so with him? It works both ways. Or is it ok because we are happy to roll over and have our bellies tickled by the USA?

    #1712111
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    :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo:
    we can all sleep safer in our beds now Jonathan Powell has been appointed National Security advisor.
    His latest achievement …. to surrender the Chagos Islands!
    good luck to all

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    There is power in a factory,
    power in the land.
    Power in the hands
    of a worker.
    It all amounts to nothing
    if together we don’t stand.
    There – is power in a Union.

    The lessons of the past
    All learned with workers’ blood.
    Mistakes of the bosses,
    we must pay for.
    From the cities
    and the farmlands
    to trenches full of mud.
    War has always been
    the bosses’ way, sir.

    The Union forever!
    Defending our rights.
    Down with the blackleg.
    All workers unite.
    With our brothers
    and our sisters
    from many far off lands.
    There – is power in a Union.

    I long for the morning
    that they realise…
    Brutality and unjust laws
    cannot defeat us.
    But who’ll defend the workers
    who cannot organise?
    When the bosses send their lackeys out
    to cheat us.

    Money speaks for money.
    The Devil for his own.
    Who comes to speak for
    the skin and the bone?
    What a comfort to the widow.
    A light to the child.
    There – is power in a Union.

    The Union forever!
    Defending our rights.
    Down with the blackleg.
    All workers unite.
    With our brothers and our sisters
    from many far off lands.
    There – is power in a Union.

    Value Is Everything
    #1712113
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    Ah the Chagos Islands. A place many hadn’t heard of, that few could point to within 1,000 miles of on a map even now and the ‘surrender’ of which was well underway while the Tories were in power. But suddenly we care now we think it’s something to criticise Labour about.

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    “But calling him a “fascist” and suggesting he is a member of the KKK as Lammy did is immature nonsense.”

    Trump is a fascist so he’s right on that score. I say **** Trump. If we start pandering to him we’ll have Boris back as PM or even worse Farage.

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    “….to surrender the Chagos Islands!”

    A policy your mates the tories put in place.

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