- This topic has 10 replies, 9 voices, and was last updated 15 years, 7 months ago by
.
- Posts
First race at Balinrobe produced most unusual result, not so much the 25-1 SP of the winner but his previous form.
The Hamptons, a 5-Y-Old fast ground sprinter on the flat, won over 5 furlongs last month only other win was 6f at Layton last year, had been beaten 115 and 69 lengths is only two previous runs over hurdles.
Today he won like a proper hurdler, running on well in a race that seemed to be truly run race and certainly din’t look a fluke to me.RP comment……
"Held up towards rear, smooth headway on outer 3 out, 5th after 2 out, close 3rd entering straight, led after last, not fully extended, easily"I can’t ever recall an out and out sprinter winning a soft ground hurdle or any other NH race come to that, any else know of one.
Red Rum
Ha Ha Ha Yes correct, I thought of him as I hit submit! That was as a 2-Y-Old wasn’t it? There are probably plenty of these
Pink Gin placed over 6f on the flat then won over 4m over fences, that must take some doing.
His half brother Green Dollar won over a dozen times over 6f, I wonder how many sires turn out horses at such opposite ends of the stamina spectrum.
- Total Posts 17716
La Vecchia Scuola won a 5 furlong selling race at Musselburgh in 2007 and then won a 2 mile handicap hurdle and 2 mile juvenile hurdle at Ayr grand national meeting two years ago within 2 days of each other…
Very game mare.Has actually won 4 times over hurdles.
Not an out and out srpinter but still for me remarkable.
Today he won like a proper hurdler, running on well in a race that seemed to be truly run race and certainly din’t look a fluke to me.
Wouldn’t necessarily agree with that. My reading of the race was that he effectively did the others for pace under a finely-judged ride by Slippers Madden in a steadily run affair round a track that probably plays to his strengths.
I would certainly still have serious question marks over his stamina if he were to try his hand over hurdles during the Winter. I don’t think you’d be retiring to The Hamptons backing this horse on Winter ground anyway.
I wonder how many sires turn out horses at such opposite ends of the stamina spectrum.
S T,
Do you remember the July Cup winner Hamas. His highest rated horse on the flat is Mitcham, who won the Kings Stand at Royal Ascot.
But his highest rated NH horse is Chiaro, who won a 3m 7f handicap chase at Hereford off a mark of 125, before finishing 4th in the ’09 Scottish National. Where Chiaro gets his stamina from is a mystery, as his dam sire is an American dirt miler, whose best offspring here was a 5F specialist!
It’s no surprise that the original French connections of Chiaro started him off as a 2-y-old over 6F. On breeding he should have been going to Ayr for the Gold Cup, not the Scottish National.
AP
Today he won like a proper hurdler, running on well in a race that seemed to be truly run race and certainly din’t look a fluke to me.
Wouldn’t necessarily agree with that. My reading of the race was that he effectively did the others for pace under a finely-judged ride by Slippers Madden in a steadily run affair round a track that probably plays to his strengths.
I would certainly still have serious question marks over his stamina if he were to try his hand over hurdles during the Winter. I don’t think you’d be retiring to The Hamptons backing this horse on Winter ground anyway.
I’m not one of those punters who swears by the clock but the time does compare favourably with other races run at Balinrobe on Monday, (check RP Analysis of Winning Times) his time was exactly the same time over standard as Head Of The Posse and even allowing a % for the extra distance at least as good as the other good novice chase with another highly rated horse (Alpha Ridge) in the field.
That said it’s very unlikely that I’ll be backing him in the future and obviously I didn’t back him yesterday …I stood for the previously unbeaten favourite.
Back in the 80s an Easterby horse Mr or Young Snugfit was a 5/6 furlong sprinter who went hurdling and, I seem to remember,chasing.Can anyone else remember this or is my mind playing tricks?
Back in the 80s an Easterby horse Mr or Young Snugfit was a 5/6 furlong sprinter who went hurdling and, I seem to remember,chasing.Can anyone else remember this or is my mind playing tricks?
Mr Snugfit certainly ran at sprint trips on the flat, and once started favourite for the Grand National (thanks primarily to his owner Terry Ramsden no doubt), where he found the 4m4f trip slightly too sharp, plugging on to be fourth. He finished second for his original owner, Adrian Greenwood in 1985, when caught on the run in by Last Suspect.
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.