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Did you see ATR’s coverage of the Prix D’Amerique this year? Mike
No, I was on the other side of the world at the time, but it sounds a disaster. Who on earth was this "specially brought-in commentator" who made such a hash of things, anyone we know?
I think Carry On Katie got it right. I’d never heard of him before.
Mike
Never one to miss an opportunity ….
05/12 Wolverhampton dog track ,,,,8 races 45 k in prizes
05/12 Vincennes Trotting 7 Races 250 k Euro
Are you still losing on the AW ???
Never one to miss an opportunity ….
05/12 Wolverhampton dog track ,,,,8 races 45 k in prizes
05/12 Vincennes Trotting 7 Races 250 k Euro
Are you still losing on the AW ???
Ricky,
I had the same thought when comparing yesterday’s prize money – Kempton vs Vincennes. To be fair Lingfield yesterday was pretty decent money. The one thing that I can never understand is NH flat races in the UK are typically for about £3k prize money….and often a fair few of the horses running in those races are worth £50k+. How owners can get a return on their investment I’ll never know. It’s madness. All they are doing is topping up an over-inflated bloodstock industry.
I think 80% of the flat horse population are rated less than 80…so most horses are racing for peanuts in this country…and have no chance of covering their annual costs.
Some folks may argue it’s an expensive hobby but ultimately the sensible owners will move on from racing when they realise the odds are against them. I just can’t understand how the current situation can be for the long term benefit of the sport.
Never one to miss an opportunity ….
05/12 Wolverhampton dog track ,,,,8 races 45 k in prizes
That’s quite good when compared to todays 30k at Lingfield and owners, trainers and jockeys etc of the 7 winners sharing less than 20k between them.
And just look at the front page of the RP, Lingfield are getting all excited about the introduction of sectional timings for all their meetings, when only a tiny minority of viewers have any interest in it.
The game’s going to the dogs.
Venusian ….have you been to vincennes , if so any travel tips
No, although I did visit the nearby zoo in 1972!
I worked at La Defense in Paris for 5 months 20-odd years ago, but sadly no time to go to the races.
"Sensible" owners should be glad their getting record prize money this year. Despite deflation, unemployment and record low levels of disposable income elsewhere, Racing prize money keeps going UP.
The body that represents owners, the ROA, has entered into contracts regarding the minimum their prepared to race for. The fair value has been set and agreed upon (in most cases).
Granted you wouldn’t know it with all the squawking and flapping that goes on about prizemoney. Then when the valuable races do come along, they won’t run their horses.
I’d imagine feelings of involvement, exclusivity, camaraderie, excitement and frivolity are some of the many reasons people involve themselves with racehorse ownership in the UK. You know the kinda stuff that money cannot buy.
Or you could run it ’round a graveyard in France.
I suppose.
Cav pretty poor response from a man of your ability …you can paint the picture any way you like its still peanuts !!!
Friday night at Vincennes is jammed , it caters for a crowd of 40000, yes forty thousand….with seated restaurant facilities for 3000 lucky punters
The craic is mighty and the atmosphere is fantastic ,,,or so I am told
I watched it tonight , bloody noisy so the crowd were in for sure
no Graveyard here matey ….there is no comparison with record peanuts that are available for British owners …or owners that race their horses here
For how much longer though ???
Well, that sounds great, Ricky. Bravo Vincennes!
I didn’t realise there were 40,000 people in France who even followed racing there, beyond doing a Quinte+ over a cafe au lait.
Maybe I’ll go there some Friday.
Take baldys PR man (aka Glenn) with me.But for betting purposes it’s definitely "vive la Wolverhampton" any day of the week.
For sure.
I think that a Sunday would be the time to go.
Here’s the card for Vincennes this Sunday, 9 races with well over 1 million Euros up for grabs, the 3-y-o Group 1 worth 240,00 Euros. Just look at the horses’ career earnings on the right, and these are basically in their first season of racing.
So go into http://www.cheval-francais.eu/fr/les-co … -date.html
– then select Dec 7th Vincennes.
On the 40,000 capacity, this would only be reached on Prix d’Amerique day, but I’ve seen healthy crowds on other days, much bigger than at Longchamp or Auteuil, where nobody goes except for maybe three or four days a year.
As I suggested in my first post, there’s a lot that flat and NH racing in the UK can learn from French and other European trotting – it’s not just about having a pari-mutuel monopoly.
As much as I would have liked a tote monopoly here it just wouldn’t work now. British punters aren’t used to it, they like betting at fixed odds, and wouldn’t use it. They are already turning their back on racing in favour of other beting mediums as it is. It isn’t all plain sailing in other countries either. It doesn’t really work in the states. Racing there only survives because of subsidies from the slots.
[quote="Kenh" British punters aren’t used to it, they like betting at fixed odds, and wouldn’t use it. They are already turning their back on racing in favour of other beting mediums as it is.
A contradiction? "British punters like betting at fixed odds but are already turning their backs on racing in favour of other sports".
They would like to bet at fixed odds but as bookmakers don’t lay two bananas to a banana anymore that is out. As well as turning off long standing followers of sport, bookmakers are also deterring newcomers betting on racing.
They are quite happy with their FOBT’s, not good news for racing as it appears we are stuck with bookmakers.
The Tote monopoly, with sensible deductions of course would have been ideal for racing and good for punters. You could have as much as you want on any horse you want, in any race you want.
As it is punters can’t get bets on and one race’s prize money in either France or America is often the equivalent of one meetings prize money at Lingfield, Wolves, Southwell, Kempton etc.
Cheers Venusian , I will head over for a weekend before Christmas
It looks like a good card this sunday for sure …and although some on here would prefer exchange filtered wolver…Im sure they will learn in time
I think a load of people are leaving the game in droves , because the bookies wont lay a bet for love or money …which leaves the exchanges ….fine and lovely . but not all punters are familiar with them or indeed trust them
I for one..fought hard to maintain their existence in the days of infancy …nowadays I would prefer to see them banned , however that’s not likely to happen any time soon
I hate to say it but David Hood was right , when exchanges came in the door , integrity went out the window !!!…I dont have very much confidence in the betting side any more , hence my bets are rare if any nowadays
I am still an avid jumping fan though ,,,,lets hope it survives
Take baldys PR man (aka Glenn) with me.
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