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Doesnt answer the point as to why a frankel appreciation page is more welcome there than a sea the stars one or 2yos to look forward to.
of the % that read this forum surely most of it is about race reading and not discussions about which itv presenter annoys you the most, this is as much a horse racing thread than a “what matt chapman said this time” every saturdayIf this thread was in another section, itd surely have more input, that alone is cause for action, no? The same could be said about the frankel page, if that was here itd likely have less input
Frankel or indeed a Sea The Stars thread on the Horse Racing Page is about a particular horse, ham. We’ve seen a lot of appreciation for an ex-racehorse and his stallion career, his associated carers (Sir Henry etc) and photos of the great horse. Although there is some overlap, there isn’t much in the way of tipping and doesn’t fit in to a “notebook” thread.
This section is called “Trends, Research and Notebooks”. If a “Two Year Old Summary” thread does not fit in to this sub-section I personally don’t know what does. It is also used a lot as a tipping thread, name of the full section, “Tipping and Research”. Personally couldn’t see why it was ever in the Horse Racing Section when it fits in far more with this section. Trends, Research and Notebooks surely needs a strong thread or two? Don’t see why it should be separated from other notebook threads. Robnorth had some excellent threads on here for many years; why should his threads be treated differently?
…Although if some streamlining is needed I do think all Tipping And Reseach threads could be put in together. Or if Systems people particularly want their own section possibly have one for Trends and Systems and another for Lays, Plays and Notebooks.
Personally I don’t use this sub-section. Not because it’s hard to find – I’d love to but the main contributor does not like his opinion challenged and having somewhere to post without my input is apparently important to him.
Value Is EverythingPersonally i dont really care im just in agreement with everyone else who has said virtually the same thing, not a big deal like i said i couldnt really care less, but theres usually more than 10/15 people post on race discussion pages and 2019 2000 guineas threads, so it seems unlikely if this was in the “busy” section that it wouldnt have more input
And steve, persian king was pretty good today, walked in.
I rest my case with Persian King and my other comments. I say he lies between 110 and 115 now, based on my own thinking as outlined above,
Most people are here to put their own view and not to actually learn anything. That is fine, but don’t expect to become a better punter that way.
I am grateful to this forum and have learned from other posters here in my time posting realising that I could analyse races in a better, more thorough way. I leave here a better judge because of what I have picked up from other members.
My viewpoints are strong in the cases where I feel I have seen something that is at odds with the lazy media picks. I know that I have put more homework into the racing, than the lazy pundits paying lip service on TV and who then quote misinformation week-in, week out. Despite Too Darn Hot’s “Sizzling” win in the Champagne Stakes, he actually recorded an RPR 1 lb less than his previous start. It’s smoke and mirrors with BS built in. I try to cut through the bull plop to help better inform. I am only sorry it bothers people to read what I see as closer to the truth, and class it as arrogant rubbish.
C’est La Vie.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Nice one Steve
He’s a real looker just like his dad.
Saw Kingman at Banstead Manor just before I went away and he is going really well with his progeny.Not been over impressed with 2yo’s this season apart from Too Darn Hot who will take all the beating in next season’s Classics..waiting for that dark horse to make a show
Where does Persian King go next do you think?
Things turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...You’re naive when it comes to how horses are rated by Timeform and Racing Post, Steve.
You’re good at finding horses with potential to improve in to top class racehorses. But how you and I “rate” horses on potential is different to rating a particular performance like Timeform and Racing Post do. They can’t be as subjective, can not rate horses on potential and for good reason.Roaring Lion also won his second start by 6 lengths. Afterwards everyone knew he had tremendous potential to improve in to a bloody good racehorse. However, whatever Roaring Lion went on to achieve he could not be rated as winning his second start by 20 lengths, because he only beat Compliance 6 lengths (giving the second 6 lbs). You might want to, but ratings organisations can not rate horses on what they will become. Because if rating Roaring Lion a lot higher for that second start, then Compliance and all the other runners would need to be rated higher too – and their form does not warrent that. Just as Boardman, Montagu and all the others in behind Persian King on his second start do not currently deserve a higher rating.
With Fabre believing PK his best two year old it is hardly surprising he improved again, just as you, Jack, myself, Timeform and no doubt Racing Post also expected.
Value Is EverythingGuess I’ll go and find out myself where Persian King runs next when I come back from holiday
anyway it was a good shout but followed up with bit too much self appreciation which kind of took the shine off.Ginger and Steve please…why not PM each other and have these fall outs over ratings it’s ruining what should be a really informative Thread.
I personally couldn’t care less what a horse is rated timeform; Racing Post whatever but if thats your thing then good luck and enjoy it when it comes good.
I just love to see horses run to the best of their ability as who knows when injury will take out the best of the best as Alpha Centauri and Saxon Warrior have paid that price this week and wish them both success in retirement
JacThings turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...The only news I can find Jac was talk about supplementing Persian King for the Royal Lodge 29th September but that was dated from 2nd September so old news.
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I am just as much fed up of this as anyone, Jac.
I’ve tried reasoning saying in the 2000 Guineas thread:Instead of reverting to name calling, Steve; please just stay calm, quote part of my post and tell me what exactly you object to and why. May be then we can sought this out.
To which Steve replied:
What part of me not being interested in anything you have to say do you not understand?
There is nothing to “sought” sic out, there is nothing to sort out either. You have the personality disorder, not me.
I’d be happy to here from Steve by PM if wanting to talk things through, as long as it’s done without reverting to name calling.
Value Is EverythingThanks Nathan
I hope he does go the Royal Lodge route as I will see him in the flesh, fingers crossed..@ Ginge
Understand the name calling is unnecessary and getting tiresome.Ginge you’ve been on here longer than most of us and are a a good contributor. I’ll never get my head around your system but if it works for you then who are we to question how you get there
I hope we can all get on with each other and get out there and find next year’s Classic winners although Too Darn Hot has made his claim big time for the colts but which filly will come good? I’m hoping it might be Royal Intervention who has been tucked away with only a couple of runs under her belt but no more entries as yet this year, unless anyone know differently…Jac Things turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...Royal Intervention picked up an injury on her last run and is out for the season Jac
They hope to get her back for a Guineas trial but think 7F will probably be best for her. Not seen any official quotes but thoughts seem to be that Persian King will run in the Lagardere next rather than the Royal Lodge which is maybe a bit close being next Saturday.
I didn’t know that Kev.. thank you for the update and hope she’s going to be OK. Such a lovely action free striding filly..look forward to her return.
Will definitely be following Persian King wherever he turns up next.
I think Royal Lodge is Saturday week Kev so fingers still crossed he’ll come to HQ…JacThings turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...This was published today Jac
Fabre would like to run him on Arc weekend in the Prix Jean-Luc Lagardere, but not if the ground went soft.
“I’m a bit concerned about the going, if it rained I would not risk him at Longchamp,” said Fabre.
“He has an option at Newmarket, a Group Three (Autumn Stakes).
“I wouldn’t be thinking of running him in the Dewhurst, that might be too big a step, but Newmarket is a course I like to run my two-year-olds, it is the best course in the world.
“If you think you have a Guineas horse, it is always good to try them there first.
Blackbeard to conquer the World
I hope we can all get on with each other and get out there and find next year’s Classic winners although Too Darn Hot has made his claim big time for the colts but which filly will come good? I’m hoping it might be Royal Intervention who has been tucked away with only a couple of runs under her belt but no more entries as yet this year, unless anyone know differently…Jac
I agree with Kev, Jac. Royal Intervention looks like a 6 to 7 furlong filly to me. Although at least one of the dam Exciting Times’s siblings stay fairly well – her progeny seem to take more after their sire for stamina/speed requirements and RI is by sprinter Exceed And Excel. She’s also been a front runner in all three starts to date all at 6f which (although Attraction did it) in my experience makes it generally more difficult to stay further than pedigree suggests. Was she beaten on merit by Angel’s Hidaway (another sprinter/7f filly) at Ascot or was there a viable excuse?
Sorry so negative.Backed Pretty Pollyanna at a big price for the Duchess Of Cambridge. She probably has the ability but I can’t really see the Oasis Dream filly staying a mile; especially one who travels so well through her races at 6f. One she beat in France last time out Signora Cabello even less likely to stay. Antonia De Vega impressed me (in some ways) on a rare visit to the races. Better than winning distances suggest in the Prestige Stakes at Goodwood. Trouble is takes a long time to react to jockey’s urgings then suddenly shows a good turn of foot. But may be that’s only greenness? From what I saw not the best of lookers either (first foal) but might grow. I’m still waiting to see something that excites me for fillies Classics in the same way as several colts have. But one am considering a bet on is Moyglare winner Skitter Scatter @ 16/1. Already had seven races but steadily progressive and has a great attitude. I know isn’t so a bit daft saying it, but if she were trained by O’Brien would be 4/1 fav. Although by Scat Daddy she settled well in a very strongly run 7f on Sunday (possibility she’s flattered by being held on to longer than some market rivals), Dam’s side of pedigree also suggests a mile will be within her capabilities. So if forcing me in to a bet Jac, it’ll have to be Skitter Scatter.
Value Is EverythingThat’s an interesting piece Nathan and thanks for putting that up.
Why not bring Persian King to Newmarket and see how he performs over the Guineas track…lets hope the track keeps dry and he does come. The FRench horses always seem to do well at HQ’s Rowley Mile course. Things turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...Good luck with Skitter Scatter Ginge, I tried to look her up on RP site but they were experiencing problems again
so will have a better look when I come home Friday as Internet is hit and miss here in Costa Blanca. Having seen Royal Intervention in the flesh at Newmarket I would say she is built to get further, of course only time will tell but I think she could reverse with Angel’s Hideaway if they meet again and obviously she didn’t run her race at Ascot because something was not right. Best to rule a line under that run and judge her on her reappearance, whenever that is,looking forward to it…Jac
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