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    Simon Rowlands was very complimentary about Ten Sovereigns in his time analysis piece on the ATR website. He did look an exciting horse alright.

    Early days of course, and it will be very exciting to see how he progresses or vice versa.

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    PERSIAN KING looks a more substantial colt who is likely to progress plenty from today’s effort. A son of Kingsman he was a bit slowly away and he could not quite match the winner’s burst from the front. Two lengths in arrears at the line, he kept on in second, coming clear of the rest of the field by three lengths.

    Persian King was out at Chantilly today, racing over a mile he was odds on and he won in appropriate style, stretching away to win by 6 lengths and it was 7 lengths further back to the 3rd. He looks a fine prospect and will no doubt step up in grade next time.

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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    Jack, it’s the ‘vice versa’ that concerns me, but I can’t really grumble for now.

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    The Racing Post moved Ten Sovereigns forward 11 lbs yesterday, up to 113. My first thought watching the race was whether he had actually needed to improve at all to win.

    He was 1/3 Fav and facing nothing dangerous looking.

    The assessor has taken the 3rd as running right to her best on 91 but this was her 9th race of the season and she is only a maiden winner from those nine starts. If she has had an off day it might be a concern for the form strength.

    My first port of call was runner up Bruce Wayne and the fact that he ran behind Ten Sovereigns last week. This time he was roughly EIGHT lengths closer to Ten Sovereigns. Bruce Wayne was rated 68 last week but if the Fav’s figure is correct, then Bruce Wayne has improved 32 lbs in one week!

    It could be true but I would be cautious of taking it on trust. Bruce Wayne’s next run will be key to the form. That looks ripe for a lower run next time out. We will see.

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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    Persian King, Ten Sovereigns + Too Darn Hot, we have seen 3 potential stars this weekend i suspect.

    Suphala looked quite good in the fillies race at Chantilly too.

    Trethias for Jessie at the Curragh on Friday looked a good’n beating Pink Dogwood and is touted to be heading to the Moyglare next.

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    Persian King’s race can be seen here:-

    http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/race-replays/2/3409/

    He seems to do it really easily all the way through the race and if you ignore the winner for a moment and focus on the ultimate runner up you will see that he comes with a run from last place and claims everything else in the race, yet it looks like he was in a seperate race for second place behind a different class individual altogether.

    A warm favourite on debut, Persian King was unable to cope with Freddy Head’s Anodor and it will be interesting to see where that colt goes next. He certainly got a good compliment from the horse he beat two lengths when they met.

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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    Vange was sold to HK, VTC.

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    Aaah, that explains a lot then Kev, thanks, you’ve saved me a bit of time scouring the 2yo entries.

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    Having a look at the weekend cards, made me notice Waldstern is out tomorrow again in a novice stakes race at Haydock. Bred to be smart, and looked half decent on debut. More for The Derby than the 2000G you’d think given his pedigree.

    Monsun G3 winning mare who ran over 1mile and 1mile 2 on her 4 starts.

    Given her progeny currently are Waldgeist and Waldlied you’d suspect he’ll be very smart as well.

    One to look forward to tomorrow.

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    Fabre says Persian King is his outstanding 2 year old.

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    Fabre says Persian King is his outstanding 2 year old.

    Better not show Andre the Racing Post figure for Persian King. Their assessor awarded him 84 for his runaway win last time, just an 8 lbs improvement from his first run.

    Meanwhile the same organ has no problems in hiking Bruce Wayne 32 lbs for a runner up spot in a terrible looking Group 3 won by Ten Sovereigns.

    So that’s the way it stands with RPRs

    Ten Sovereigns 113
    Persian King 84

    Andre’s horse is 29 lbs inferior to Aidan’s and 16 lbs behind the maiden Bruce Wayne.

    Holy Fudaroni Batman :wacko:

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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    SPARKLE ROLL is entered up this week (Friday) over 1 mile at Haydock with Oisin Murphy up. This filly is a daughter of Kingman who is out of the Dam of Derby winner Wings Of Eagles.

    Costing 750,000 Euros the filly is from the Gosden stable and is entered in the Gp 1 Fillies Mile at Ascot later in the season.

    Worth a look I would imagine.

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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    Beat le Bon is running today at Salisbury 2.20
    Was runner up on debut but Hannon had excuses for that and he reckons this one has come on a bundle from that race.
    Other than Watan, Beat Le Bon is supposed to be ‘his’ top two year old so he’ll be hoping to have more fun today than he had on Saturday

    Blackbeard to conquer the World

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    Came home an hour early and he’s a non runner
    again… :scratch:

    Blackbeard to conquer the World

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    Waldenstern was stuffed by Kadar in the end today.

    The Gosden colt isn’t the fastest looking of horses and he took a lot of stoking up and a long time to get past the leaders. It looked like he might score unconvincingly but the Karl Burke newcomer Kadar came forward to join him and then go away to win it.

    Kadar is an expensive Scat Daddy and obviously looks atypical at the trip today. He was receiving 9 lbs from Waldenstern with the jockey’s claim today but that was known beforehand and Waldenstern was still 4/7 Fav, so his supporters will be disappointed.

    I said earlier in the thread that I thought Waldenstern may be a Leger type and would perhaps need a strong stamina test, a notion that seemed reinforced today. Waldenstern’s first race has not worked out thus far with all four to run from it unplaced and/or beaten further next time.

    BET365 pushed Waldenstern out to 66/1 for The Derby in the aftermath of today’s race.

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

    #1371678
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    Racing Post analysis of the race “gives 7pds” to winner….can’t count haha

    I would say in hindsight, Gosden putting him in a novice suggests he’s not ready for graded 2yo races…but given his pedigree i won’t be giving up on him being a very decent 3yo.

    At the end of the day, he’s been beaten 1.25Ls giving 9pds..whilst his supporters (backing 4/7 shots tells you all you need to know) won’t be happy, i am sure Gosden won’t be crying himself to sleep over this run..

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    Bangkok is out at Ascot tomorrow and he will be a warm order after finishing second to the much touted Stoute colt Sangarius on his debut. Short enough for the classics already the Michael Stoute horse is another son of Kingman and no doubt he will contract in price to something fairly silly should Bangkok justify what looks like being a short price tomorrow.

    Bangkok is by Australia and John Gosden fields Murray River, who is by the same sire and holds a Derby entry. Perhaps the Varian colt Prince Eiji will be the bigger danger though, as a 2.6 million Guineas son of Dubawi out of the Gosden trained mare Izzi Top, who is the mother of Dreamfield and Willie John, both rated over 100 already. Varian has had a very quiet season by his standard right across the board though.

    Bangkok is odds on for the race and the others are weak, although the Michael Bell horse with Hayley Turner up has been nibbled at big odds.

    Sparkle Roll, whom I mentioned above is generally 6/5 Fav for her race at Haydock, despite the Johnston filly having won her only race. Quintada is 3/1 but does have to concede 7 lbs.

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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