2yo summary thread 2018

[darren83]

With Ascot not far off thought i start thread for best 2yos seen so far and those who we not seen yet my pal VTC ask me if ok put thread here so that why it here.

SERGEI PROKOFIEV

Got beat on debut but romped home on 2nd start and early fave for Coventry at Ascot i myself not think he be a guineas prospect may run next on sunday at Naas.

LAND FORCE

Was another impressive winner trained by AOB not look like getting on 2nd run looks a smart prospect

SO PERFECT

Won very well on debut and another good prospect she looks but was able to win on debut when you think most of AOB need the run

FAIRYLAND

Won at Naas other day and looks bound for Royal Ascot

CORAL WAVE

Was 3rd behind the horse above and she shape very well on debut and think there a lot more to come from her

KONCHEK

While wait untill next year for it i think this horse from Clive Cox could be a Commenwealth cup type won very well on debut at Newmarket so far looks a top springting prospect for trainer who do well with this type of horse.

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Sergei Prokofiev was the first 2YO to catch my eye this season. I still don’t really know how he managed to get beaten on his debut.

I saw odds for The Coventry Stakes and felt the 33/1 on offer had to be backed, if for no other reason than he would be a good bit shorter after his next start, which I thought would most certainly be a winning one. He powered home next time out and the 33/1 was long gone.

The next start will be the one that shows whether Sergei Prokofiev is a worthy Coventry favourite or not. I put him up in my French Racing thread at 33/1 but the way that has been going I’ll be lucky to break even should Sergei Prokofiev land the Coventry

The only other 2YO to catch my eye so far is So Perfect. She is also by Scat Daddy and she showed a really good burst to score first time out. Plenty of the O’Brien fillies need their first race and the 5F that day looked a bit inadequate a trip. I believed that she would be seen in a better light over 6F and plenty improvement is likely next time.

We won’t have to wait long, as So Perfect is at Naas tomorrow and she tackles 6F this time. It is Listed class this time and I expect her to improve on her RPR of 82 and hopefully become a warmer favourite for the Albany. I saw Fairyland as well but preferred So Perfect as the better prospect going forward. Darren, you mention Coral Wave above but I think you meant Coral Beach. Either way, she was beaten at Navan this afternoon, again finishing 3rd but this time she was 4/6F and Fairyland fans will have been disappointed.

I took So Perfect at 10/1 for the Albany Stakes and after Fairyland won on her debut she sat behind her stablemate at 12/1 in the betting.

Of the others mentioned by Darren, Konchek is entered in the National Stakes at Sandown on 24th May and he can be backed at 4/1 in quite a tight betting heat. It’s a race won 12 times in the past 25 years by the Hannon’s, an incredible feat, and they are on something of a drought, not having won it last year, or the year before. Their main hope this year seems to be Wedding Date, a Dandy Man filly with Ryan Moore booked to ride. She quickened well to go three lengths clear at Chester last time and earned an improvement of 17 lbs from the Racing Post from her first start. Although she has a few lbs to find with Blown By Wind, Kinks and Konchek on form so far, she should be open to further improvement, and for me, she would be the value in the race at 6/1, purely for the trainer’s magnificent record in the race.

Of the unraced ones from Ballydoyle an obvious eyecatcher is Cape Of Good Hope, a full brother to Highland Reel and Idaho. He was entered up last week but did not keep the engagement. As a May 6th Foal, he’s barely 2YO and anything this year would surely be a bonus.

Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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It wouldn’t be the same without ridiculous early odds for the Guineas’ next year. This year’s early bird in the 2000 Guineas is Blenheim Palace. In the 1000 Guineas, the aforementioned So Perfect and Heaven On Earth are the fillies quoted. All three horses are 33/1.

Blenheim Palace is by Galileo out of Meow, making him a full brother to Churchill and Clemmie.

Heaven On Earth I am not sure about but I know there is a full sister to Found in the mix this year.

Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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So Perfect was a flop at 1/2 Fav today. She never looked to be travelling comfortably and although she didn’t get much of a run, it was as a result of not travelling well enough to go where she needed to, rather than any bad luck.

Looking at them before the race, So Perfect was far from the pick, certainly overshadowed in terms of physique and scope by the winner. I’ve binned my Albany ticket already.

Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

[darren83]

Steve any views on 2yo race at Newmarket yesterday i think 1st 3 all look nice prospects to follow

New Winds who by New Approach think has breeding that a bit like Newfanfangled in a Machivillian i know spelt it wrong here.But look like a extra furlong be good for her this year

BEYOND REASON was 1st horse by Australia and ran a pleasing race even though being trained by Godolphin hard to be postive in terms of training them for classics

ANGELS HIDEAWAY

Ran well to did travel well in race and ran on end of race next time out a maiden winner she is be intresting where they go next in terms of trip

Took 4/1 Konchek to win National stakes on thursday to.

[stevecaution]

I didn’t see that race Darren. It’s early to know good they are but it’s unusual for me to take more than one from any race to keep tabs on.

Wedding Date doesn’t seem to be going to the National Stakes at Sandown. Connections say it’s either straight to Royal Ascot or to France for a race on 1st June.

That seems one less to worry about for Konchek.

I see a horse of Gosden’s entered up this week. Legends Of War is a Scat Daddy colt and he was bought for the princely sum of 900,000 Guineas for Qatar Racing. He is jocked up with Oisin Murphy, so hopefully he runs somewhere this week.

Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

[darren83]

Steve with Ascot not far away do you know if Wesley Ward unleash any good 2yo as normally been out by now get them ready for royal meeting

[Triptych]

Hi Darren ..will be putting up a few 2yos that I like later in week and great to have this Thread running again.

Kicking off with tomorrow …

Steve pointed out that John Gosden has Legends Of War running in the 2.20 @ Yarmouth tomorrow and he is a very hot favourite although he has some useful looking opposition who could give him something to think about.

I’m going to take chance on the so called second string, in the same ownership as the favourite….
WIRETAP trained by David Simcock who has a good record with his 2yo’s on this track is currently trading with Paddy Power at 20/1.
He is the son of Charm Spirit and Ysper a full sister to champion French 2yo Vorda and could be very useful and the dark horse here.
Worth a small each way and hope it stays 8 runners.

WIRETAP – 2.20 Yarmouth
20/1 Paddy Power
Each Way

Best of luck
Jac

Things turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...

[Triptych]

Wiretap backed down to 7’s from 20’s with Paddy Power this morning..obviously not such a dark horse now, interesting to see how he runs today.

Shame this Thread not in the Horse Racing Thread Darren, I tend to keep missing it when someone posts it’s a bit lost here.
Not just going to be about notebooks etc hope we are going to have some good spots through the year and hope to post up some pictures of those that take the eye in the paddock at Newmarket.

Perhaps Bobby might consider moving us back what do others think?..Jac

Things turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...

[Nathan Hughes]

The O’Brien horse looks head and shoulders above the rest so far
thought Hannon’s The Paddocks looked good on debut in a tight finish with Hugo Palmers Blonde Warrior at Newbury the day before the Lockinge. Would like to see where they go next

Blackbeard to conquer the World

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Considering some of the stuff on the Horse Racing thread, which does nothing to assist in helping find winners, I don’t understand why this is tucked away in the basement.

Anyway, Legends Of War opened very short at Evens and drifted out to 7/4 now. Obviously it’s guesswork and it’s rare for me to bet unraced horses. Godolphin usually have theirs quite forward on debut and Appleby is 5/19 at Yarmouth with 2YO over the past five seasons. His Exceed And Excel colt Leading Spirit is strongest in the betting with Jac’s pick well backed from a bigger starting point. Varian’s San Donato, who cost a half million guineas and is by Lope De Vega seems weak at 5/1 after opening at half those odds. Interesting that Wiretap’s trainer David Simcock also has a good strike rate at Yarmouth, 4/11 over the last five seasons.

Looks a very decent maiden.

Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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Money for jam at 2/1 as Legends Of War splatted his field all over Yarmouth.

Surely favourite for the 2019 Guineas at the moment and he is 8/1 with Coral for the Coventry after his demolition job.

Money came for the Varian colt and the Godolphin horse was seriously weak in the betting. It was a four length win from ultimate favourite San Donato and almost as far again to the 3rd horse, Leading Spirit.

Deep in the annals of the forum and early days in the thread, have we seen a star?

Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

[Triptych]

Haven’t seen the race yet Steve but sounds seriously impressive and what a price 2/1 as you say a steal.

My Wiretap’s fate sealed with a slow start and Spencer holding him up, apparently he was making some headway 2f out but never going to catch the winner. Think I’ll let them have a run before backing next time but there was money around for him and he would have learned from this.

Well done the winner and those who backed him..Jac

Things turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...

[stevecaution]

Legends Of War’s race replay:-

http://www.attheraces.com/atrplayer-replay-overlay/VOD/1038165

I think if we took the Gosden colt out, we would all be saying what a great prospect Varian’s lad looked.

Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

[Nathan Hughes]

Very nice performance, looked a tiny bit green and jockey didn’t need to use much force, plenty more in the tank to come.
Would the pedigree put you off the Guineas at all Steve…?

Blackbeard to conquer the World

[Nathan Hughes]

I see The Paddocks is 33’s for the Coventry. I’d say 6f is his distance for now and Hannon has said they will keep him back for Royal Ascot in mind

Blackbeard to conquer the World

[stevecaution]

If Gosden thinks he’ll get a mile I would be confident. He looked today that he would have won had it been 7F and it’s clear that he’s not a trailblazer. He put distance between himself and the runner-up in the closing stages today, which I much prefer to see than horses who blaze from the start and win the race there.

I have him over 90 already and that’s a good start. If he wins the Coventry I doubt he will be any bigger than 8/1 for next year’s Guineas.

People will say 20/1 now for that race is ridiculous but it’s a one way street with these bets and people dismissing such odds are sometimes clambering to find much shorter odds later.

Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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