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Why take on the colts? Why run in a listed race when still a maiden? I’m sure they have answers. I don’t.
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Here is a copy of what I have written on a couple of other Threads about what I picked up on whilst at Newmarket today regarding the 2yo’s in the first race there:-
Just a note on Hannon’s Somebody To Love who ran in the first race at Newmarket won by Richard Fahey’s Clef, she looks as though she has a lot of growing to do, the smallest filly in the paddock and looked very undeveloped, I think she’s going need the winter to do some filling out and perhaps come back as a 3yo. Although she’s been highly tried against Roly Poly and Nation’s Alexander (last) she really did nothing impressive in those races and doesn’t seem to have progressed beyond Class 5 or 4 at a push.
Look out for the 2nd filly High On Love if she reverts back to 6 furlongs next time out as she was a standout in the paddock and Shozita (3rd) (big white face and four lovely white stockings..very pretty) just didn’t get up the hill in the last furlong and would probably be best back at 6 furlongs
Regarding AMABILIS very very disappointing today I think Ralph Beckett must have been after some black type for the filly but not sure if she gets it for running 3rd in a 4 horse race
She should have run in the 1.55 as Joni so rightly says WHY run against the colts 
Things turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...Hathfa in with every chance today, not going to be good enough on that performance.
Yes very disappointing.
I notice Promising got beat as well, although she ran much better. I recall hearing something a while back that backing horses in maidens around about evens or odds on (when they are having their second run) is a dreadful proposition long term.
That’s either cus they are overbet as everyone has seen how good they looked in their first run and lumped on accordingly. I mean in virtually every maiden race there’s something about evens that ran second or third on their first run, problem is they often regress (as Stilvi pointed out with Amabilis) or they run into a very decent newcomer
I guess with the benefit of hindsight the stoute filly was well overpriced, from the family of showcasing etc, it’s all about the price really I suppose.
Everything went wrong for Promising today. Fly jumped and lost ground at the start, too keen early, couldn’t get a clear run and yet still got pretty close. Had she got the run of the race would’ve won fairly easily.
Value Is EverythingWhy take on the colts? Why run in a listed race when still a maiden? I’m sure they have answers. I don’t.
Because it was an uncompetitive listed race Joni, with an excellent chance of achieving black type. With fillies it’s not all about winning; a listed place is worth a lot more in paddock value. Especially as she can win an ordinary maiden any time she likes. Had connections waited, Amabilis may not be capable of Listed form later in the year. She’s the first horse/filly Beckett has trained for Prince KA, so he’s going to want to do the best for his new owner. Good piece of placing imo.
Taking on colts with fillies is something Beckett does with regularity, in maidens too. They get the sex allowance so why not? It can put off a few males too (coltish). Taking on colts worked wonders for Simple Verse.
Value Is EverythingOk Mark, fair points. If they believe she is just a 2 year old and this is the best she can do and this was her best opportunity of some black type then I suppose great – job done. But listening to Beckett being interviewed before the race, I don’t think she was just there to make up the numbers. He was nervous as hell. He believed he had a good one here. For me there would be plenty of time later in her career to pick up that black type. This filly was high up in the Guineas betting, her breeding suggests she will be better over further and that she will improve next year – Champs Elysees is not exactly known for producing precocious 2 year olds. I would have preferred her to be given time to find her level, win her maiden, keep to her own sex. There is plenty of time to take on greater challenges later on. I always ask, “what would Sir Henry have done?” – he would never have run a filly like this in a race like this.
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
Deauville Saturday, Kestila Jean-Claude Rouget:-
http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/race-replays/2/2269/
Earlier on the card Al Motasim Jean-Claude Rouget:-
http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/race-replays/2/2268/
Two promising individuals for powerful owners and a trainer having an exceptional season.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Hathfa in with every chance today, not going to be good enough on that performance.
Yes very disappointing.
I notice Promising got beat as well, although she ran much better. I recall hearing something a while back that backing horses in maidens around about evens or odds on (when they are having their second run) is a dreadful proposition long term.
That’s either cus they are overbet as everyone has seen how good they looked in their first run and lumped on accordingly. I mean in virtually every maiden race there’s something about evens that ran second or third on their first run, problem is they often regress (as Stilvi pointed out with Amabilis) or they run into a very decent newcomer
I guess with the benefit of hindsight the stoute filly was well overpriced, from the family of showcasing etc, it’s all about the price really I suppose.
Everything went wrong for Promising today. Fly jumped and lost ground at the start, too keen early, couldn’t get a clear run and yet still got pretty close. Had she got the run of the race would’ve won fairly easily.
I’m sure that’s right. They obviously called her promising for a reason.
On the subject of names, I reckon cumani tends to name his horses well, he had a winner the other day called Vanity queen, she obviously fancies herself.
And it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to work out that he thinks highly of total star. Aljezeera on the other hand, I imagine got named by the owner.
Ok Mark, fair points. If they believe she is just a 2 year old and this is the best she can do and this was her best opportunity of some black type then I suppose great – job done. But listening to Beckett being interviewed before the race, I don’t think she was just there to make up the numbers. He was nervous as hell. He believed he had a good one here. For me there would be plenty of time later in her career to pick up that black type. This filly was high up in the Guineas betting, her breeding suggests she will be better over further and that she will improve next year – Champs Elysees is not exactly known for producing precocious 2 year olds. I would have preferred her to be given time to find her level, win her maiden, keep to her own sex. There is plenty of time to take on greater challenges later on. I always ask, “what would Sir Henry have done?” – he would never have run a filly like this in a race like this.
I just think it was a good opportunity of black type they couldn’t pass up Joni. Might have a question mark to answer next time, may be there’s a temperament issue?
But had possible excuses, how much did being too keen early take out of her behind Rhododendron? Did the race come too soon yesterday after a hard race at Goodwood? Value Is EverythingHere’s a thought. Maybe Amabalis just isn’t as good as some people thought?
This is being framed as if she was top notch first time and then fell off the earth.
It’s not even as if she was favourite in her second race, or in her third race.
I put a pen through her after her second run, I didn’t like what I saw that day and I don’t like making excuses for them. Plenty other promising types out there who aren’t getting much attention.
The chances are that Kestila, who won yesterday for Jean-Claude Rouget would tear Amabilis a new one if they meet.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Here’s a thought. Maybe Amabalis just isn’t as good as some people thought?
This is being framed as if she was top notch first time and then fell off the earth.
It’s not even as if she was favourite in her second race, or in her third race.
I put a pen through her after her second run, I didn’t like what I saw that day and I don’t like making excuses for them. Plenty other promising types out there who aren’t getting much attention.
The chances are that Kestila, who won yesterday for Jean-Claude Rouget would tear Amabilis a new one if they meet.
You don’t half exaggerate what people write about a horse Steve. :lol:
Amabilis was around 4/1 in an uncompetitive Listed race, the only aspect to consider was if she was value or not. Fair Eva and Kestila and many more would beat her easily, but nobody as far as I can see was saying Amabilis was a Guineas filly.
She disappointed yesterday, no big deal.
Value Is EverythingI am just puzzled why people seem to have multiple orgasms about some horses and no interest in others.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
I am just puzzled why people seem to have multiple orgasms about some horses and no interest in others.
I think that’s a good point. Most punters are biased towards some horses over others, I know I am, and it’s a weakness.
Ideally you should be totally objective and not care about connections or what they look like, just the bare facts.
I am just puzzled why people seem to have multiple orgasms about some horses and no interest in others.
I think that’s a good point. Most punters are biased towards some horses over others, I know I am, and it’s a weakness.
Ideally you should be totally objective and not care about connections or what they look like, just the bare facts.
It would be a good point Judge, if what Steve says about other TRFers on this thread were true.
Value Is EverythingFirst Of Spring was back in action at Deauville today and was odds-on to build on her very promising debut.
The daughter of Galileo out of Homecoming Queen was racing over 6 and a half furlongs on ground with a bit of cut in it.
Quite keen in the early stages, the jockey had to try to get cover for her and she settled in behind to some extent it seemed. It was hard to tell accurately, as the camera angle and formation combined to render Jean-Claude Rouget’s filly invisible for parts of the race.
What was clear to see though, was the way she picked up once the jockey asked her to go and win the race. It was plain sailing under hands and heels, as she drew away to win by 3 lengths. There seemed a fair bit in hand and you would imagine that there would be a bit of stir amongst the fans if this filly were at Ballydoyle and getting favourable comments from the trainer.
Surely she will be raised in class next time but you never know, as La Cressonniere was kept low profile for long enough before landing two French Classics.
First Of Spring cost the guts of half a million dollars and the Derby/Guineas winning parents is of obvious interest.
This is the video replay. First Of Spring emerges on the far left in the green and white colours before disappearing in behind. She appears where and when it matters though!
http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/race-replays/2/2285/
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Steve, where did you get the info that she cost half a mill? Was it a private sale after she was withdrawn from Tattersalls? I thought it was a partial transfer of ownership, Coolmore usually keep a share in the fillies running in Joseph Allen’s colours.
She should have run in the 1.55 as Joni so rightly says WHY run against the colts 
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