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  • #1612421
    Avatar photoIanDavies
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    1,478 – just four fewer than this year.

    https://media.britishhorseracing.com/bha/Fixture_List/2023_Fixture_List_Full.xlsx

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    #1612424
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    I believe a maximum of five fixtures on a Saturday afternoon(plus two from Ireland of course) :wacko:

    A complete cop out as they await the results of yet another review.

    #1612427
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    Keep doing the same thing, and expect a different result…..

    #1612433
    runandskip84
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    The press release with the fixture list leaves nobody in any doubt who runs racing and it ain’t the BHA!

    #1612435
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    Has there ever been a more ineffective CEO of the BHA than Julie Harrington?

    Presumably hired for her Westminster networking contacts – certainly wasn’t for her racing industry knowledge – she has no visible presence, no identifiable strategy, nothing.

    We’ve even got a former BHA supremo – Peter Savill – now organising a proposed strategy and way forward.

    So what exactly is Julie Harrington for?

    What does she actually bring to the table?

    Is she actually at the table?

    Does she know what a table is?

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    #1612437
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    The sport is run by the useless. The BHA are totally inept.
    How much evidence do the clowns require that there is far too much racing yet continue to do sweet FA.
    It tells you something when a lot of trainers and bookmakers consider there is far too much racing.
    I would like to see a legal challenge regarding fixtures but don’t expect to see one from this lot.
    Doubt much will change for the rest of most of our lifetimes

    #1612455
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    2 weeks ago

    Hungerford stakes 7f group 2

    Then the week after

    City of walls stakes 7f group 2

    Then this weekend

    Supreme stakes 7f group 3

    Not forgetting the lennox stakes end of July 7f group 2 as well

    But obviously the fixture list is fine and they’ve done a superb job removing 4 fixtures for next season

    #1612470
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    There will be more, not 4 fewer, as the Sunday & Racing League fixtures need to be added.
    When the Bath fixtures were abandoned this season they quickly switched them to other tracks. Might it have been a good idea to have a few less fixtures instead?
    There is no proper leadership of the sport from those at the top.

    #1612472
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    Julie Harrington is next to useless, and will likely move on to another sport as their CEO; these people always do.

    I said in another thread that racing needs one leader/dictator, over everything. What they say, goes….but it seems impossible for this to happen.

    If trainers are really opposed to this, then it’s up to them to come together to boycott certain meetings/ races……and it has to be a regular thing. Are they really united on this?

    #1612505
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    The tone of the comments so far suggest that the majority wanted a reduction in the number of fixtures. I’d be interested to know what you think would be achieved by such a change, and how many fixtures should be eliminated.

    #1612507
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    While I appreciate that individual owners might not welcome bigger average field sizes, Alan, I think that industry overall would.

    Levy generates a lot of funding, each-way betting is popular, and I think striving for fields averaging eight or more is the way forward.

    Fewer races must mean more horses facing each other and a reduced total would facilitate higher average prize money too.

    Races would be harder to win or be placed in, but more rewarding when it occurs.

    As for where the axe would fall, many courses – especially ARC ones – have far more racing than was once the case and it shows.

    At Fontwell Park the track is so beaten up they’ve had to bring in AW bends.

    Many tracks, not just ARC, survived on far fewer annual fixtures back in the day – time was when a fixture at say Fakenham or Hexham was a novelty – and a fixture list which more accurately reflects the number of horses in training is surely the way forward.

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    #1612509
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    “At Fontwell Park the track is so beaten up they’ve had to bring in AW bends.”

    It looks awful, doesn’t it? What was once one of the nicest tracks in the country has been ruined by over-racing.

    Agree about field sizes as well. I am not blaming Bangor but when I was there on Tuesday, the first 5 races had fewer than 8 runners. Maybe that is to be expected over jumps at this time of year but personally I enjoyed the last 2 races more because I could have an each way bet.

    I know lots of punters who like each way betting and the sort of small fields the July Course has been offering up throughout the season make no appeal at all.

    Worcester opened its card on Tuesday with a 2 runner chase and Sedgefield yesterday offered us the enthralling spectacle of a 3 runner novice hurdle with a favourite at the enticing odds of 1/50. Not good for the Levy, to say the least.

    #1612519
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    Despite the blindingly obvious fact there has been too much racing in the UK for several years, this was a foregone conclusion.

    Greed and self interest will always overide logic and common sense. Why would the horse racing industry be any different?

    I very rarely go racing now. Three or four races with single figure fields does not appeal to me and does not represent value for money. As long as racecourses continue to be paid media rights per race or fixture why would they agree to reduce the fixture list? Maybe racecourses should be paid on a sliding scale, with only a percentage of media rights earned if they produce small, uncompetitive fields. Too many meetings like that might mean they fail to cover their operating costs and lose money. That would be one way to focus minds.

    ....and you've got to look a long way back for anything else.

    #1612520
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    Whilst I agree that there probably is too much racing, nobody is compelled to enter their horse into, attend or bet on (as punter or bookie) any given race. There is therefore one way to get the message across but it’ll never happen.

    #1612524
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    Quite a relief to see there has been no tinkering with those precious July course weekend double headers.

    #1612526
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    “Levy generates a lot of funding, each-way betting is popular, and I think striving for fields averaging eight or more is the way forward.

    Fewer races must mean more horses facing each other and a reduced total would facilitate higher average prize money too.”

    Picking up on these points from ID – yes the Levy is important, but a lot of the money from that source goes to pay for the admin around each meeting (stewards, judge, clerk of the scales, starters and stall staff, equine welfare, vets, doctors, stable security, cameras, commentator) all covered by the basic Levy grant for each meeting.

    Prize money primarily comes from five sources – media rights, admission charges, hospitality, sponsorship and entry fees. If you remove a meeting, none of that money exists to be spread around as increases in prize money. And you save very little of the Levy money, as the majority of the staff mentioned above are employed by the BHA and paid a salary, not paid per meeting.

    A someone who does his own entries, I can see several things would could be changed (regardless of the number of fixtures), which would increase field sizes. The first would be to bring the handicap rating system into the 21st century and make and apply rating changes immediately. For example, if you run your horse on a Sunday and it gets beaten, leaving you knowing that the rating will be reduced, there is zero incentive to run again before that reduction takes effect, thirteen days later. And even if you know that the rating change will allow you to enter a lower grade of race, you’re not allowed to make such an entry.

    And a simple one-off way of increasing field sizes and giving more owners access to higher prize money – just increase the current handicap mark of every horse in training by the same amount, whilst leaving the race bands the same. Again, for example, make my 72 rated handicapper an 82, and I’ll make up the numbers in 0-90 races.

    It would also help increase field sizes if there weren’t so many races with restricted entry conditions – in paerticular there are far too many races limited to fillies and mares only. Fair enough at maiden/novice level, where there are enough horses to fill that type of race. But the number of fillies handicaps, often with excellent prize money, has grown like bindweed over the last ten years.

    The whole issue of small fields in NH races could, in my view, be changed overnight by simply doing away with the category ‘novice’. There’s no such thing as a novice hurdle or novice chase in the French NH program and small fields are a rarity over there. But it’s way too radical for the NH establishment in the UK!

    #1612529
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    The Novices argument is interesting; and needs looking into – as do ‘bumpers’.

    Buy a horse out of a PTP field, spend a season in bumpers, another season in novice hurdles, then another in novice chases, then finally ready for open chases. Madness….

    Bumpers should be for horses who’ve never run at all. If they’ve been pointing why not go straight to chasing?

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