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- September 5, 2017 at 19:43 #1316689
This race is the first real sign that the proper jumps action isn’t far off, and with it coming so early in the season, it can be a hard hard race to work out.
https://www.racingpost.com/racecards/190/listowel/2017-09-13/683956
The headline act here is obviously Coneygree, with Shaneshill as an able deputy. Coneygree would be a fascinating runner in this, and I’d expect him to head here, as connections have had it as long term objective. Considering his fragility though, he’d surely need conditions to be plum right for him, and even if he was an attractive enough price once a market is formed, I’d expect him to be of limited appeal at that stage. If things aren’t right, there are other options in The Autumn. I had my doubts about him coming back from his injuries, and was of the opinion that a combination of those knocks, and that brutal win at Cheltenham had taken their toll. His drubbing by Cue Card doesn’t read very well, and he only had a bloodless win at Sandown to his name since his big moment at Cheltenham, and it was easy to be sceptical about him. That was until Punchestown though. His narrow defeat to Sizing John, and the manner of his run that day, suggested he was back to his best, and if in the same form, should he indeed head here, then it’s hard to be negative about him. To be honest, his presence here puts me off an Ante-Post punt at this stage, but I’ll probably have a go anyway.
What about Shaneshill? Well, I’m a big fan, and always thought his game 2nd to Blaklion in The RSA, is a clear indication of his ability. On his day, Blaklion is a rock solid yardstick, and I gave Shaneshill a solid chance in The Galway Plate. He didn’t disappoint, and found only the impressive Balko Des Flos too good. What’s harder to forgive is his run later that week, where he looked well held by Arbe De Vrie. He made a jolting error that day, but I don’t think it would have made any difference, and though I’d expect him to be near the head of the market, I doubt whether he’ll appeal Ante-Post either. I would expect him to head here though, and he still looks a major player. Arbe De Vrie himself has to be considered. After a few blips, including when well beaten at Cheltenham, he has got his act together. He also took in that Galway Plate, eventually finishing 6th, which was more than acceptable, and I’d be happy with his second to Woodlands Opera at Punchestown. 5lb rise for his Galway win is fair, this looks his perfect distance, and loads to like.
One horse aside, the first ten home in that Galway Plate are entered here. It was an agonising race for me with Slowmotion, A Toi Phil, and Sandymount Duke, finishing 3rd, 4th, and 5th, so near yet so far. I’m a big fan of all 3, and remain so for this prize as well.
Slowmotion has loads going for her, and since the turn of the year, she’s been particularly consistent. I don’t think a 3lb rise is harsh at all, and though there would be slight question marks over the trip, she’s worth a try at it, and for a horse who’s future I believe is in Graded Company, she still looks well in to me, though I doubt she’ll be much of a price here. A Toi Phil is a horse I have loads of time for. He’s another who I believe, in time, we’ll see outwith handicaps, though races of this nature would appear to be perfect for the timebeing. He has winning form in this type of event, as seen at Leapordstown in January, and though at times you could say he isn’t the most straightforward ride, he has acquitted himself well in Graded Company, and another step up in trip, look’s just what he needs. The 1lb rise for Sandymount Duke might just look a tad harsh, but he has been in fine form the last year, and I’d argue that conditions weren’t ideal for him at Punchestown, and he did run very well for a long way. There’s a good chance there’s more improvement in him, and going left handed could just be the key to unlock that extra couple of pounds. Smashing horse, with bags of potential, and from a top yard, so has to be on the shortlist.
Slightly further down the field that day at Galway, in 7th, was a very interesting candidate in the shape of Shanpallas. Very impressive winner of The Munster National three years ago, and the sky looked the limit for him. He won that day for JP, who had bought him after a very creditable third in this race, and staying chases looked his for the taking. For reasons not quite clear though, possibly JP had just too much ammo in that sphere at the time, they’ve given the impression they don’t quite know what to do with him, and he’s mixed hurdles and fences with limited success. What that limited success has done though, has seen him slip down the weights nicely, and though he’s only got his head in front once since that Munster National success, he’s put in a few nice rounds. He wouldn’t want it too soft, but I’m hoping that conditions would be in his favour here, and he’s only a pound higher than he was that day at Limerick. I’m hoping he’s a price, as I might be tempted. Surely they’ll share my belief that this is just the right type of race for him.
Behind Shanpallas at Galway, were the Giggs pair, Lord Scoundrel, and Road To Riches. Lord Scoundrel was a game winner of The Galway Plate last year, and though he wouldn’t have won this, he was still in contention when tipping up two out. He is a very likeable sort, and didn’t fare too badly out of handicaps last term, but despite that, I just feel that he needs a hand from the assessor. Road To Riches is always popular in these events, and does tend to get gambled. He looks very well handicapped on his old form, but he has done for a while now. That effort behind behind Coneygree at Cheltenham might just have knocked the stuffing out of him, and despite the obvious prospect of it all clicking into place for him, his recent form leaves him hard to recommend.
Also running in the Giggs colours, could be Potters Point, and Arkwrisht. Arkwrisht had a fine time of it last month for Joseph O’Brien, both times at Kilbeggan. On his first go, he only found A Rated too good, and that horse has won again since, while he really was impressive when winning on his next visit to the track. Touch and go to get in, but a complete unknown quantity in this type of contest, and impossible to write off with any confidence. Potters Point looks very interesting indeed. He won nicely last time, is a complete model of consistency, and represents last years winning connections. Despite that consistency, he still looks way ahead of the handicapper, and although he wouldn’t be the most high profile of Gigginstown contenders, I’m very interested. Trip should pose no problems.
Ellmarie Holden has Sir Jack Yeats down near the bottom of the weights, and he’s another who’s had a fine summer, but he might just be touch and go to get in. Her Abolitionist though, doesn’t face such worries, and after working wonders with him last season, she has him in here with a live chance. Quite simply a major player, and with a second to Empire of Dirt in The Troytown, a win in The Leinster National, and a third to Our Duke at Fairyhouse, he must surely take a hand. He’ll also strip fitter for a recent spin over hurdles, and it’ll be interesting to see how the firms guage him.
Also fresh from a spin over hurdles is my old pal Aranhill Chief. His summer form the last few years has been excellent, and he’s developed into a real favourite of mine. He’ll no doubt have a sentimental couple of quid of mine his way, but his last 2 runs suggest that age might be catching up with him, and off of 3lbs higher in this last year, he didn’t feature. Hard to recommend him, but I would love to see him do it, albeit he probably won’t get in anyway.
Another interesting contender, fresh from a run over timber, is this years Summer Cup winner, Tempestatefloresco. He won well that day at Uttoxeter for Colin Tizzard, though you could argue that it was far from a vintage renewal. That completed a 3 timer for him, and he’s climbing up the weights nicely, he’s certainly entitled to do. The trip the other day at Newton Abbot was clearly to keep him ticking over, and it was clear to me that it was a prep for something, though I was still surprised to see him in here, and he just makes the race even more difficult, as he definitely has another win in him.
Art of Payroll and Viva Steve could also make the journey across The Irish Sea. After flattering to deceive for a couple of years, Payroll has clearly thrived for the switch to Harry Fry, and there was loads to like about his most recent win, which gave him 2 on the bounce, following his swansong for Sandra Hughes. He looked good that day, and though this will be miles tougher, the trainer can send them over to win, and he shouldn’t disgrace himself. Viva Steve has been out of sorts in his recent runs, but I like the fact that he’s with Fergal O’Brien, and he looks ideal for a decent handicap on home shores later in the year, and I’ll (very) reluctantly pass him over here for now.
Henry De Bromhead has Stellar Notion, Heron Heights, and On Fiddlers Green lined up for this, and all 3 are on recovery missions. Stellar Notion looked one to keep on side of after going down narrowly to A Toi Phil at Leapordstown, and this was off the back of placing in The Paddy Power, and finding only a bang on song Tiger Roll, in The Munster National. If back to his best, he’s not out of it, and he’s certainly weighted to run well, but his last 2 runs, in The Grand National, and The Irish equivalent, were very poor. I’ll pass him over here, and keep him in mind for The Munster National, a race I also have in mind for Heron Heights. His third to Sizing Codelco at Punchestown is solid, but he’s been poor since, and has obvious questions to answer. Again, next month at Limerick appeals to me more for him. On Fiddlers Green was one of my big hopes for The Summer, and he didn’t let me down at Roscommon in June. He won very nicely at that night, but the wheels came off next time at Galway, and he ran no sort of race. It’s quite possible though that the ground was dead against him that day, as I don’t think that being raised to 136 was the reason, so if he had conditions in his favour, then he’s not one to pass over lightly, and I’ll take a check on his opening price.
Haymount is another on a recovery mission. There was more than one run last season that highlighted his ability, not least his third in The NH Chase at Cheltenham, but he was terrible at Galway, and I’m unaware of anything that came to light, and he looks risky off the back of that. If back to the form of last season, then not out of it by any stretch, but I’d like to know his wellbeing. This hasn’t been the most successful race for Mullins, and after being a real “talking horse” last year, The Crafty Butcher hasn’t delivered. I haven’t forgotten his run at Leapordstown though, and he should sneak in here. I’ll be watching the market with interest for this one in particular.
Mountain Kingdom is another from the Elliot yard, and things finally clicked for him last time, winning very easily at Perth, with subsequent impressive winner, Brave Spartacus, comfortably taken care of. Not unduly hammered for that, and not out of the question that he can finally achieve his potential, but this is altogether tougher.
Kilcarry Bridge isn’t getting any younger, but in my opinion he’s never been better. Tidy winner last time, and although maybe pushing it for win purposes, he could be one for the places, and looks the type who might just get underrated, and he might just open at a nice price. Put a line through his Sligo run, and he’s had a very solid summer. Each way potential I reckon, though if his stablemate Kylecrue sneaked in, then I’d be turning my attention to him. He was as good as ever last Autumn, running some very solid races, and he’s been given a proper chance by the handicapper. Another who’s had a spin over hurdles recently, and he’s bound to be a nice price. Maybe won’t win, but looks very much one for the 5 place concessions, should he make it.
Bentelimar is a similar sort, in that he has been fairly steady this summer, and bar an unseat at Galway, he’s always one to run his race. As likeable as he is though, I’ve always thought of him as just short of this kind of test. He should get in though, and I’d certainly favour him over Jarob, and Champagne Harmony, who also look like just making it in.
There’s 41 entered in total then, and I’d expect the majority to stand their ground, which is a shame for the likes of Phil’s Magic, Riviera Sun, and Sea Light, who all caught my eye when I seen the entries.
It’s probably for the best that it’s not priced up, as with Coneygree in there, it’s a hard hard race to call. Top weight wouldn’t concern me at all, and if on his “A Game” he’ll surely be incredibly hard to beat, I think he looks well treated. He’s not the easiest to keep sound though, and that does leave me wanting to have a go.
I’m torn between my Galway Plate trio of Slowmotion, A Toi Phil, and Sandymount Duke, and I will bet one of them. Which one though? It’s a tough old call, and 3 very nice horses. It may make sense to hold on then, and I just hope they don’t all make the gig. Gun to my head, and it will be A Toi Phil.
A Toi Phil then, and I’m also very keen on Tempestatefloresco, Potters Point, and Shanpallas, but it is just so hard to call, and it is very tentative shortlist at this stage.
Opening Market will be key here, as will Coneygrees participation, so after all that, I’m actually pleased there isn’t a market yet.
GL
September 5, 2017 at 20:01 #1316692There is a market available VTC. Several firms up, including Ladbrokes and Coral.
Coneygree’s price ranges between 5/2 and 5/1.
September 5, 2017 at 20:10 #1316694Just coming back on to update Soldier, cheers

33’s far too big for Tempestatefloresco, and I’ve had to have a go at that price. Shanpallas also big at 25’s, as is Abolitionist at the same price.
I’ll chew it over later tonight, and probably have another early go.
September 6, 2017 at 13:18 #1316748If Coneygree gets his ground and is ready to go there may be a few off the bridle after the first circuit trying to keep tabs.
A big scoop for the Festival to get such a high profile horse entered. I just hope he now runs but there will always be some doubt with such a horse.
Agree Bobby the 2015 GC was brutal with the first 4 home that day never producing a better performance since and has obviously left its mark.
Coneygree is a little too short for my liking. Another Shanpallas supporter here although he has never had the success the early promise beckoned. The English raider Art Of Payroll is another of interest to me. Sandymount Duke also of interest and the way Jessica Harrington as been scooping big pots this year, it will be no surprise to see him fighting for glory over the last. Ruby has also won me a ton of money on this race in the past so will have to back him blindly (will he pick the Ricci owned Arbre De Vie over Shaneshill?).
September 6, 2017 at 16:43 #1316763Yeah Homer, it really is all about Coneygree here. If he does turn up here 100%, and I’m assuming he’ll only be here if conditions are right, then he could have this put to bed a fair way out.
Good luck whatever you go for, it’s no easy is it?
September 6, 2017 at 16:59 #1316766I’ve had a go on Abolitionist at 25s EW: he’s guaranteed a run, he probably will run as suspect this has been his target and if they have notions of Aintree next year they will need to get his mark up a bit and this is suitable race to do it; should handle the ground (trainer said he prefers good but won his Leinster National on soft); stays.
Would’ve preferred it if he’d motored strongly up the run in on his prep run but he’s not an especially good hurdler and the way they were bunched suggests there wasn’t enough early pace in that race to show his stamina.Apart from him I’ll sit tight for now. I really like Sandymount Duke and agree a left handed track will save him lengths; but I don’t fancy backing him on soft ground- and a bit more rain is forecast this weekend.
Coneygree- hmm. He’ll get his ground, probably. Connections as usual talking a great game. But wouldn’t be surprised if come the final decs, or even the race itself, and the ground will be wrong or his legs will be wrong or his horoscope will be wrong and he’ll be scratched, or maybe do no good. Five races in two and a half years- I’m out. Will cheerfully eat humble pie if he wins as he is a class horse.
September 6, 2017 at 17:55 #1316773VtC that preview is a great read.
Greenasgras, Abolitionist for me just now at 25-1. I bet him in The Irish Grand National and I would agree with VtC in that he does look like a standout price. I will bet one more but I will wait for day of race
September 7, 2017 at 18:08 #1316856Thanks Lemons

Yeah, Abolitionist too big, and I’ve taken that 25’s each way. I would kick myself if I missed out.
I’m quite happy to spread my cash around a bit in this race, as my original hope for the race didn’t even get an entry, and I was going to have a proper go. A combination of his absence, and the long list of my fancies for this, means I’ll tread warily. Been here before, and more often than not, when faced with these circumstances, it ends in tears.
I’ll probably wait till the final decs now, though still got the same shortlist of The Giggs pair, A Toi Phil & Potters Point, and the JP Duo, Slowmotion & Shanpallas.
Two more than enough for now then, and I’ll keep Tempestatefloresco as my main bet then at that 33’s, and happy with Abolitionist as backup at 25’s.
September 8, 2017 at 17:24 #1316950Excellent write up again Venture.
It looks like a fiendishly difficult race. I think you are doing the right thing here + sticking with one main bet.
It is far too difficult for me at this stage but i will definitely side with A Toi Phil or Shaneshill on the day. I think their prices of 12-1 + 10-1 at this stage represent some value
September 8, 2017 at 18:27 #1316968Thanks Buckers

Yeah, definitely a race to be very careful with, and I’m happy I kept Tempest as the main bet, as Abolitionist ain’t going, and very definitely a bullet dodged for me.
I’ll just keep it even tighter now, and definitely wait till final decs now 100%
September 8, 2017 at 19:29 #1316973Belter of a summary Bobby
I love when this comes around, as you rightly say
it’s like the tapes going up on the jumps. Coneygree still seems set to show up for
this, and if fully wound up and ready he would blow a raspberry at the others well before
heading into the straight. The thing is, I doubt very much if this is much more than giving
him a pipe opener, or as Sara Bradstock puts it “it keeps him ticking over, as it’s such a
long time before there’s another race for him”. This obviously is not a main target, and
perhaps after his first time out race against Cue Card last year, which possibly left it’s
mark on him, they have decided to give him an easier opening proposition this year to get a
good blow into him. I think, if he travels over, they will be more than happy for him to get
a good run into him without leaving his season behind. I wouldn’t be taking around 3/1 on him
at this stage.SLOWMOTION is a horse I’ve always thought a lot of, and he looks to me to
be the right sort for this. He has run well at Limerick in the past, going down by 1 1/2L
back in March in a Grade 2 Novice Chase over 2m 6 1/2f on heavy ground, the first 2 well
clear. He has ability and has been a model of consistency since O’Brien senior passed him
on the O’Brien jnr to train. He’s 3 wins and 4 2nds out of 9 runs and only once out of the
places when he uncharacteristically fell at the 1st, so at 12/1 he looks a very solid e/w,
but I think he looks like he could improve for the extra distance (2m 6 1/2f as far as he
has gone) and I fancy him quite a bit for this.September 8, 2017 at 23:58 #1317000Assume Abolitionist pulled due to ground. Arse. Oh well. Replaced him with Bentelimar at 25s. No other entries, has a run, form on soft/heavy OK and not too much weight to lug around in the muck. Will also wait till final decs to add another.
September 9, 2017 at 00:57 #1317005Surely the reason Grass, and with the chance of going being testing, yet another reason to not jump in too much at this stage.
September 9, 2017 at 01:02 #1317006Thanks Graham
Yeah, it’s great when this race comes around, time to start getting excited for the big guns coming out soon. I knew you’d be with Slowmotion, you’ve always rated her, and I’ve become a real fan too. I really do think she’ll be a graded chaser easily, and the 12’s is very fair. Good luck with her, and in another year, she’d be my main hope, and still haven’t totally ruled out siding with her.
September 9, 2017 at 02:35 #1317013Belter of a summary Bobby
I love when this comes around, as you rightly say
it’s like the tapes going up on the jumps.
SLOWMOTION is a horse I’ve always thought a lot of, and he looks to me to
be the right sort for this. He has run well at Limerick in the past, going down by 1 1/2L
back in March in a Grade 2 Novice Chase over 2m 6 1/2f on heavy ground, the first 2 well
clear. He has ability and has been a model of consistency since O’Brien senior passed him
on the O’Brien jnr to train. He’s 3 wins and 4 2nds out of 9 runs and only once out of the
places when he uncharacteristically fell at the 1st, so at 12/1 he looks a very solid e/w,
but I think he looks like he could improve for the extra distance (2m 6 1/2f as far as he
has gone) and I fancy him quite a bit for this.Thanks Graham

Yeah, it’s great when this race comes around, time to start getting excited for the big guns coming out soon. I knew you’d be with Slowmotion, you’ve always rated her, and I’ve become a real fan too. I really do think she’ll be a graded chaser easily, and the 12’s is very fair. Good luck with her, and in another year, she’d be my main hope, and still haven’t totally ruled out siding with her.
Cheers Bobby, I’ve written about HER umpteen times, so why I’ve rattled off the
above and given her a sex change I’ve no idea. Having said that, I have noticed in
the past that when I’m battering away on the keys at a rate of knots I’ve a habit
of indiscriminately typing he, and had to go back in later if I’ve noticed it
and change it. I’ll need to change my sexist ways
September 10, 2017 at 14:27 #1317174lol Graham, I’ve made that mistake loads of times on here, and I always feel a proper fud after I’ve done it, especially when I know fine well that he’s a “her”
September 10, 2017 at 14:32 #1317175Coneygree is out, just confirmed.
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