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    Always a decent race this, but the entry actually looks way stronger than usual this year, which doesn’t make things any easier, and it’s a hard race to gauge Ante-Post…..

    https://www.racingpost.com/racecards/90/wincanton/2017-11-11/686422

    A few standouts at the moment

    Alfie Spinner – Yes, he’s getting on now, and the yards big winners appeared to dry up a bit last year, but he just ticks a few boxes. Stablemate Russe Blanc ran well on Sunday at Carlisle, his first decent run for some time, and Alfie can boost winning course form from last season. Kept decent company in the past, and though not one for win purposes off of this mark, he represents each way potential if the race cuts up enough, which it very well could. 25’s

    Carole’s Destrier – I just wonder if we could miss a trick here. I think the general view with him is that Newbury will be the target, but I just feel that running off of 154 here could be a more tempting proposition for connections than taking on the big boys in the “Hennessy”. Trainer takes this race seriously, and he could easily look obvious after the race. 16’s

    Double Shuffle – Probably known better for operating over shorter distances, but his run in The National shows that this trip will pose no problems. Took care of impressive Ascot winner Go Conquer last season, and there is nothing wrong with his last run, finishing second to Romain De Senam. 151 looks a fair enough mark, and he has a live chance. 16’s

    Fletchers Flyer – Absolutely chucked in off 143, that is, if he’s the same horse who won at Punchestown a year and a half ago. That was a dynamite performance, but his season didn’t really take off last term. His season seemed to be geared around Fairyhouse, and that ended in failure with him pulling up, having proved no match for Our Duke. No shame in that, and he made a good fist of it. It just remains to be seen what mark that has left on him. 14’s

    Gentleman Jon – This boy is my long term fancy for this, but he just folded a little tamely for me last time here, and I’m not just as enthusiastic as I was beforehand. I still rate him though, and although a little fortunate in this last year, with the late exit of Southfield Theatre, we know he’ll act here, and after a fine summer, he looks weighted to run his race, and I haven’t talked myself out of him yet.

    Master Dee – A bit of a slow burner this one, but finally getting his act together. He took care of the prolific San Benedeto at Ascot last season, and has ran 2 nice races in defeat recently, twice behind subsequent winner Guitar Pete, and also a blistering perfomance from Ballyboley. Yard had a big winner at the weekend, and it’s a yard I’m increasingly watching. Step up in trip looks like it could suit, and price is decent. 16’s

    Mr Mix – I was impressed with him here last week, in that race that Gentleman Jon took in, and he had the look of a horse with more to offer. Marks looks very fair, and with the Nicholls yard always looking to have a strong hand here, he looks an obvious, and straightforward contender. 14’s

    Present Man – Another Nicholls runner, and looks a worthy favourite. He did loads right last year, and a quick run through, shows plenty of decent sorts behind him as well. He looked to find the trip just beyond him at Sandown in the “Whitbread”, and having unseated in this when a short price last year, it’s hard to rule out some compensation on Saturday. He’s as low as 5’s, but there’s value there if you shop around. 8’s

    Southfield Theatre – Not seen since finishing well down the field at Cheltenham last December, he was a very unlucky loser in this before that, when falling with the race at his mercy. Going back to the season before, he ran a huge race on the last day at Sandown, and having been eased a couple of pounds, if fit, he must have a serious chance here. 10’s

    Tempestatefloresco – Winner of The Summer Cup at Uttoxeter, who then went on to flop at Listowel, though in his defence, the ground was totally against him. He’s had mixed success over timber since that day at Uttoxeter, but with ground not totally against him here at the moment, I’d be interested to see how he is off his current mark. Difficult to assess. 33’s

    Theatre Guide – Love this horse, and always one to take seriously in big handicaps. Seems to be continually overrated, and he bagged me some nice returns last year at Kempton and Sandown. He’s flying high on a mark of 154, and I’ll wait for him later in the season. A risky approach for a very nice horse. 16’s

    The Young Master – Stablemate of Carole’s Destrier, who was cruelly robbed of this race 3 years when it was discovered that he didn’t actually qualify for the race. He looked to have big things ahead of him, but bar a couple of solid runs at The Festival, and a smashing performance at Sandown, he’s overall, been a bit disappointing. He unseated on Saturday, and that was the 4th times in his last 12 runs, he’s parted company with the rider. I’m not quick to rule him out though, and with him running off 145 here, he must have some sort of chance, as much as that has to be taken on trust. 16’s

    Yala Enki – I have high hopes for this horse, and he has a couple of wins to his name over the larger obstacles. I think his best piece of form though was in The Fixed Brush Hurdle at Haydock, as his wins don’t read that well now, and when upped in to better company, he’s come up a little short. Remains one with potential though, and bookies taking no chances. 12’s

    The race cut up badly last year, with only seven lining up, so fraught with danger here. Carole’s Destrier is certainly fraught with danger, as the yard has other options, but I do think if he lines up, he places, and I’m going to risk that 16’s. I haven’t bet him yet, but come Saturday, 8-1 Present Man could look like a gift.

    Carole’s Destrier EW 16’s

    #1325649
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    Thanks for starting this thread; very good reading again!

    This is one of my favourite meetings of the year and I will be there once again on Saturday. I’ve not missed a running since I first went in 2009 to see Ellerslie George win.

    I agree with your take on Fletcher’s Flyer (“Absolutely chucked in off 143, that is, if he’s the same horse who won at Punchestown a year and a half ago.”) and I have to say he’s one I’ll keep on side if he’s declared.

    I’m also keen to see if Theatre Guide runs as he usually puts up a bold display first time up but whether this’ll be a blow out with one eye on the Hennessy is up for debate. I backed Gentleman John to win last year and he returns off a lower mark so he’ll be tempting but I also backed the unlucky faller at the last in 2016 Southfield Theatre and he should give another bold go if lining up.

    I’m going to keep my powder dry until final declarations but I’m certainly happy with who’s entered up at the moment.

    It should be another good renewal and best of luck with Carole, I’m just thinking that there might be just one too many ‘ifs’ about him now but may change my mind come the day. And Pilgrims Bay in the same stable sort of falls in the same bracket for me but he’s also dangerous to dismiss.

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    I have taken a punt in this!! LABEL DES OBEAUX and FINAL NUDGE.

    Both go on softish ground and both improved throughout last season. LDO had a blow out to maybe get him ready for this at Chepstow and apart from Cheltenham last March has looked really progressive!!
    Final Nudge would IMO have won the Midlands National but for falling last season and ran behind LDO at Ayr and could be a stayer to keep an eye on on soft ground this season1

    Good Luck guys :good: :good:

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    Theatre Guide and Yala Enki are old favourites of mine, but I’m just second guessing their chances at the weights. Others look better treated.

    I’ve waited for Alfie Spinner to bag a prize for what seems like forever and I’d love it to be this one! I have fond memories of this race (Ellerslie George taring off in front a few years ago being a real highlight) and seeing an old hand take this would be really sweet. A Becher entry would be very intriguing too!

    One I might have a bit of fun with in this is Creevytennant. Has won off a similar mark in the past and this race should suit. I’m not too hung up on his age.

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    Great work once again, Bobby. This new format is a winner in itself.

    Just backed Henlan Harri at 16/1. The Whitbread winner is a front-runner, goes right-handed, a real battler and clever jumper (touch wood). He had a nice pipe-opener over hurdles in mid October and he’s jocked up (S. Bowen). P Bowen won this twice with Swansea Bay some years ago. This will be his first runner in it since 2013.

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    Good insights so far and I think Ground will be crucial as always. Trends wise not many 10 yo plus win this (not since Flaked Oats at the turn of the century) nor do top weights (Royal Auclair was the last in 2004). With that in mind I’m drawn to Present Man and Pilgrims Bay a pair of 7 yo who are both progressive. PM didn’t get very far last year but I believe he’s a better horse and jumper now, and LDO looked good when winning the Betbright last year and looks feasibly handicapped on 137.

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    Only one has won with top weight since 1997.

    On age stats since 1997:

    age rnr wins
    5 1 1
    6 24 4
    7 62 5
    8 59 3
    9 43 5
    10 25 1
    11 6 1
    12 1 0
    13 1 0

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    Thanks Joe, actually preferring it myself, saving me time for sure.

    I am worried about that weight Carole’s has to carry, and no surprise if he doesn’t even run, but I just hope it’s one of those times where rules are there to be broken. No shortage of substitutes in there if he doesn’t go though lol

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    Thanks Charles, hope it’s a good day for you.

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    Would be nice to see a top professional rider on The Young Master for once. I’ll give him another go if he turns up but he seemed to be jumping to the right more than ever when loose the other day.

    Thanks for the brilliant previews Bobby, really whets the appetite

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    Cheers Pilgarlic.

    I’ve always liked The Young Master, and with a chance that Carole’s Destrier is too high in the weights, and might not actually go, then off of 145, this boy is near the top of the shortlist.

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    I just hope it’s one of those times where rules are there to be broken.

    And it’s one race where rules can be broken as I found out to my cost when TYM “won” the race. Every time this race comes around I’m reminded of it and I’m sure with TYM entered again this year, ITV will doubtless remind me countless time on Saturday. I wouldn’t care I didn’t have much on but it was the principle of denying me a 16/1 winner :negative:

    This year I like the look of Present Man and Yala Enki but may side with TYM just because of the reasons above. I agree he’s a risky proposition though.

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    I meant to say The Young Master was shifting violently to the left when loose (rather than to the right) which won’t be much use at Wincanton

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    I’ve just seen the final decs for tomorrow and have to say what a cracking card it is. This must the best renewal of the Badger Beer for many years. 18 runners that would not look out of place in any top handicap chase.

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    Bookmakers have got it wrong.
    imo Nicholls duo will be replaced as favourites by the Williams pair.

    Yala and Vic both available @ 12/1, will both start single figures. :good:

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    Haven’t made my mind up for my subs in this, but Present Man still appeals, despite the drift, and Alfie Spinner 33’s, and Tempestatefloresco 40’s might be worth a couple of pounds, but may wait and see how the weather is looking.

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    alfie spinner ew 25/1

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