- This topic has 311 replies, 61 voices, and was last updated 9 years, 10 months ago by
.
- Posts
So pleased to see Cue Card winning again, but it wasn’t against any of the new crop. We still haven’t seen how last yrs novices stack up against the older generation yet
Gord, it would break my heart in two different ways to see your forecast come true. I always thought Cue Card was the best steeplechaser I had seen for decades. He has won me a serious amount of money, not least at 12/1 in the 2013 Betfair. Had he won the KG that year, he’d have paid off my mortgage, but he owes me not a penny and I’d absolutely love to see him crown his blighted career with a Gold Cup victory at 10.
But I believe Vautour is the best steeplechaser I have seen since Arkle (I have never said that about any horse, and would never say it lightly). I think that beating a revitalised Cue Card in what promises to be the best Gold Cup in the history of the race will prove Vautour the superstar I believe him to be.
But if I’m wrong, you know there’s nothing in racing I’d like to do more than cheer your bet home – 14s is superb value. Good luck
JoeLet’s just hope they all get there in one piece. It would be nice to see Cue Card win as it’s probably his last chance. Vautour looked a bit off today but clearly plenty of work to do and he has won easily at the last 2 Festivals, so head still says Vautour at the moment. But you can’t rule out Coneygree or Don Cossack either in my mind
Possibly others may come into the mix in the next few weeks.Gord, it would break my heart in two different ways to see your forecast come true. I always thought Cue Card was the best steeplechaser I had seen for decades. He has won me a serious amount of money, not least at 12/1 in the 2013 Betfair. Had he won the KG that year, he’d have paid off my mortgage, but he owes me not a penny and I’d absolutely love to see him crown his blighted career with a Gold Cup victory at 10.
But I believe Vautour is the best steeplechaser I have seen since Arkle (I have never said that about any horse, and would never say it lightly). I think that beating a revitalised Cue Card in what promises to be the best Gold Cup in the history of the race will prove Vautour the superstar I believe him to be.
But if I’m wrong, you know there’s nothing in racing I’d like to do more than cheer your bet home – 14s is superb value. Good luck
JoeJoe,I remember vividly the day your horse (Cue Card) beat mine (First Lieutenant) in the 2013 Ryanair.
I, like I always do, picture a race panning out in my head and that one scrambled my brain such was the manner your fellow destroyed mine by a good 10 lengths if I recall.I was one of your fellows detractors after his incredible demise in the same years King George but even though we all thought he’d gone he has actually only ran 5 more times till he made the return I of all people expected in the Charlie Hall last month.That run stirred me but today awoke me big time,he played with a ‘Silviniaco Conti’ a fit ‘Silvi’ a proper yardstick of a horse and your horse toyed with him.’Cue Card’ will always be your horse imo and If anything or anybody could persuade you to at least have some of the 14/1 with Hills for Gold cup glory I’d like to think its me.I have jumped on your bandwagon pal as you have incredibly jumped off at the wrong stop.For God sake grab a cab and get back on before Kempton ruins his March odds..You know when TAPK goes overboard he always surfaces with 2 mermaids straddling me and a bottle of Bolly strapped to my Schlong…shrimp! 
HA! What can anyone say to that?
That KG ‘stop’ left me with a kind of post-traumatic-stress-disorder as you can probably imagine (I think he was trading at 1.10 or something). I knew right away something had to be wrong, and I just could not bring myself to be in that position again. I did a fair bit of research into the epiglottal op the big horse had, and there appear to be no guarantees with it, which is a real shame.
Anyway, in the form he was in today (and you’re spot on, he toyed with SC: CC has become adroit at putting himself right for a jump: I’d say he’s on the wrong stride about 50% of the time and he either changes legs in time, or gets over as best he can – he did that at least twice down the back today – and the speed with which he comes back onto the bridle after those errors always tells me an awful lot about him. Two out he was absolutely hacking at the end of a fast-run race) he’d take all the beating in any race. He’s not unlike Vautour in that he could win a QM as well as a Gold Cup.
Anyway, I’m all in on Vautour for the main bet – 25s, 6/1, 5/1 9/2 plus a big bet to do the double at 14s. However I’ve had a wee bit at 150s CC to win the treble, and just topped that up at 33s, because if he beats Vautour at Kempton, and stays sound, he wins the Gold Cup. If he can’t beat VTour at Kempton he hasn’t a chance imo of beating him at Cheltenham. Anyway, I’m insured, in a way, with those bets, and whatever happens, it’s been fantastic to see Cue Card show the true power of that engine.
But you’ve talked me into at least saving my VT stake, so I’ll go now and have some of that 14s
And fair play to you, when an experienced punter takes against a horse, he will usually find any excuse rather than change his mind. Only the pros are happy to see the light :)
And fair play to you, when an experienced punter takes against a horse, he will usually find any excuse rather than change his mind. Only the pros are happy to see the light
And the same to you Joe.We’re a funny bunch us Punters,I love having the ability of spotting talent early and yet for some reason I hate others jumping on my bandwagon.I am a hypocrite then as I have jumped all over your bandwagon with Cue Card and whatever happens at Kempton I’m convinced he prefers Cheltenham but so too does ‘Vautour’.I said all year this is the year to take Queen Mother honours with Riccis horse and go for Gold next year when he’s even stronger but even if he wins the King George he still goes into unknown territory jumping 2 out in March whereas we know ‘Cue Card’ will run right up the hill again now.Some race to look forward too.
Given some cut in the ground there can be only one winner and that is this years winner Coneygree. Even at 6/1 this is a very generous price. Unbeaten over fences, wins Gold Cup as a novice on only his fourth start. His rhythmic energy saving jumping style is perfect for long distances chases, I just watched a re-run of last years race and he made an error free round. You know what you are going to get with Coneygree, he will make all the running from the off so will avoid trouble, he is still improving and he is the one to beat. I cannot fancy any of those who finished behind him last year, there were not hard luck stories from the beaten horses and he was the least experienced chaser in the race. Vautaur was very impressive at Cheltenham but his exuberant jumping style will cost him in the latter stages and he is by no means a certain runner and could easily be re-routed to the Champion or Ryanair chases. The novices from this season don’t look good enough to trouble Coneygree which leaves Cue Card as the main danger but it will take a career best from him to lower Coneygree’s colours.
Those of you who’ve backed Vautour – do you think his performance on Saturday was good enough ?
I think he’s getting beaten in this race and should be in the Queen Mother or Ryanair.
Vautour was encouraging enough for a first spin of the season, we’ll know more next time out, nothing at all in it to suggest he wont get the 3 mile plus imo.
Don’t see any reason to change the plan at the moment. He was ‘the best’ after the supreme, could of gone a number of route’s, Champion Hurdle, Arkle yet stepped up in trip and was imo the performance of Cheltenham.
A year’s strengthening on his back, strong traveller, good cruising speed, great jumper on the whole, UDS for the 2 mile race. I think Mullins will be all out for the Gold Cup with him, lightly raced, not many, if any hard battles. Cue Card has a few more battle scars which isn’t a problem but I like a younger legged horse for a Gold Cup and Vautour fits the bill.Charles Darwin to conquer the World
The same was said about Sir Des Champs.
I think Coneygree smashes Ptit Zig over that trip at Ascot and Vautour isn’t all about stamina, like a Don Cossack who travels strongly off the pace. He’s in the vanguard going an extra 5 furlongs and his breeding says he’s not exactly crying out for it.
I hope he runs at Kempton – could be a classic.
Don Poli now as short as 4/1 favourite (with Boylesports) off the back of a workmanlike performance beating a horse (Many Clouds) who may not yet be over the exertions of a Grand National win…considering the worrying statistic being banded about lately that none of the last dozen or so National winners went on to win another race….
You then have to look back to the third….the ultra inconsistent Menorah, who made his customary two or three bad mistakes yet was still in with a chance with 2 or 3 to jump…on ground a bit softer than his ideal conditions too….
Neither of those two are anywhere near the top 5 or 6 staying chasers IMO, so are bookmakers getting a little carried away with today’s win?
I suppose it’s a decent comeback…jumped well enough and without doubt is an out and out stayer…would concern me though the way he comes on and off the bridle…if he hits a flat spot or two, and the race is run at a proper gallop like last year then will he get back into it? Not for me at 4/1…
It’s still Coneygree to beat for me…and by the end of this month we could know a lot, lot more…
Even given 1st run of the reason, saddle slipping, races lazily, won comfortably in the end, didn’t looka GC winner; still something to prove. But does uphold form of lasts years novices
I thought it was workmanlike only as well Zam, but that RSA win is still fresh in the memory, and I think come March, he’ll still be a serious player.
Looked an ideal National horse to me today, and I’ve had a little go for that…
With Gigginstown already having the likes of Don Cossack, Road To Riches and Sir Des Champs as Gold Cup contenders, will Don Poli go to Aintree instead? I see him having a much, much better chance of winning the National over the Gold Cup and looks far more suited to that than either of the other 3 IMO…
It’s certainly something they must be considering for him at some point Zam, that Becher Chase entry was a real eye opener.
GL with him for Aintree.
On today’s going I thought Menorah has run a cracking race against the two stayers.
When Hobbs horse gets decent ground he’ll come on a ton.Charles Darwin to conquer the World
Possibly others may come into the mix in the next few weeks.
I, like I always do, picture a race panning out in my head and that one scrambled my brain such was the manner your fellow destroyed mine by a good 10 lengths if I recall.I was one of your fellows detractors after his incredible demise in the same years King George but even though we all thought he’d gone he has actually only ran 5 more times till he made the return I of all people expected in the Charlie Hall last month.That run stirred me but today awoke me big time,he played with a ‘Silviniaco Conti’ a fit ‘Silvi’ a proper yardstick of a horse and your horse toyed with him.’Cue Card’ will always be your horse imo and If anything or anybody could persuade you to at least have some of the 14/1 with Hills for Gold cup glory I’d like to think its me.I have jumped on your bandwagon pal as you have incredibly jumped off at the wrong stop.For God sake grab a cab and get back on before Kempton ruins his March odds..You know when TAPK goes overboard he always surfaces with 2 mermaids straddling me and a bottle of Bolly strapped to my Schlong…shrimp! 
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.