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September 29, 2015 at 13:16 #1208995
Entries not out yet, but a few firms have this priced up.
Some interesting contenders in there, with the likes of Monetaire, Irish Cavalier, Generous Ransom, and Splash of Ginge all well quoted.
I’d love to see Rajdhani Express head here, but he might just be a shade high now.
I’ve got 3 I’m interested in at the moment.
Thomas Crapper – Absolutely loves it round here, and looks tailor made for this.
Johns Spirit – Another who loves it round Cheltenham, and very unlucky to get edged out in this last year. Down a handy couple of pounds in his last couple of runs, and 16’s looks a fair each way bet.
Double Ross – I’d be very keen on him if he went here. Had a fantastic 2013/14 season, before being given some harsh tasks last season. They’ve managed to get him down 10lbs in the process though, and if he gets an entry, he’d be my main hope. 33’s with Stan James is worth taking each way just now I think.
October 5, 2015 at 21:23 #1214457Nice one, Bobby.
I’m very keen on Oscar Rock here and think him excellent value at 20s. He promised much as a Bumper winner, but never really delivered on it over hurdles. But headgear and fences seem to have worked the oracle. He’s 3 from 5 over fences. Second on his chasing debut, he’s arguably unlucky to be unbeaten since, after jumping into the winner Top Gamble, and coming down 3 out at Ayr.
I was very impressed with him on his seasonal debut win at Market Rasen where, characteristically, he travelled strongly before forging clear. He’s been raised 8lbs for that to 155 and his trainer, M Jefferson said post-race that the Paddy Power would likely be his target.
October 6, 2015 at 12:25 #1214945I think it will take a very well handicapped horse to beat Johns Spirit too chaps,he loves Cheltenham and he put in one of those performances that sticks in the mind when running so well in the King george.I have taken 16/1 with Stan James e/w of course.I’d love to see Taquin du seuill contest this too but I’m not convinced Jonjo will let him.25/1 is very tempting though.
October 6, 2015 at 20:06 #1215121Apache Stronghold off 153 would be a strong selection if he were to run, but I’d guess he’ll go to Down Royal and/or the John Durkan. Whenever the penny drops that the vast majority of the horses in the Ryanair market will be running in the Gold Cup or Champion Chase, that 33/1 will be a thing of the past.
Well done on your Arc winner Joe, by the way! Great stuff
October 6, 2015 at 20:31 #1215124Thanks, Tommy. Good to see you sticking with Apache Stronghold, though you’ll be pounded by those who believe in the Meade Festival Jinx.
And your point about the Ryanair is a good one: each year Mr Mullins makes things increasingly difficult for ante-post punters at a meeting that – touch wood – has provided me with a fairly reliable financial boost these past five years or so through ante-post betting. Unfair to place any blame on Willie, but his strength in depth has seriously diluted my enjoyment of digging out the big priced ones.
Going back to AS, he seems to have run decent races over longer trips, and I wonder if they might try him at 3 miles more often?
October 7, 2015 at 17:50 #1215789Thanks, Tommy. Good to see you sticking with Apache Stronghold, though you’ll be pounded by those who believe in the Meade Festival Jinx.
And your point about the Ryanair is a good one: each year Mr Mullins makes things increasingly difficult for ante-post punters at a meeting that – touch wood – has provided me with a fairly reliable financial boost these past five years or so through ante-post betting. Unfair to place any blame on Willie, but his strength in depth has seriously diluted my enjoyment of digging out the big priced ones.
Going back to AS, he seems to have run decent races over longer trips, and I wonder if they might try him at 3 miles more often?
The Meade festival Jinx is a funny one. I personally don’t pay much heed to it as in recent years his record has been quite dent, and plenty of his runners have performed well. Very Wood was disappointing last year but he had big runs from Road To Riches, Apache Stronghold and Wounded Warrior. Ned Buntline didn’t disgrace himself either. I’m guessing Meade targets the spring more now than he used to, as at one point he would mop up early season races before tailing off a bit after Christmas.
On Mullins, and ante post punting, I personally don’t find it to be an issue. Maybe I’ve just been lucky in the past three or four years but I feel it’s usually quite obvious by Christmas the route his horses are going to go, and if you can figure it out you’re in a good position.
Back to Apache Stronghold. I think he stays 3m, but he’s just not as good as the top 3m unfortunately. It wouldn’t be surprised to see him take in the Lexus and/or Hennessy Gold Cup at Leopardstown and he’d run well in those races. But I go back to the day Don Poli beat him, where Apache came alongsides travelling well, and hit the front with a fine jump at the last, only for Don Poli to shake himself and ultimately win comfortably.
In the JLT, I thought he was a clear second best on the day. Vautour put in a freakish performance and Apache Stronghold was the only horse who even threatened to go with him. He almost paid for these efforts when just holding off Valseur Lido for 2nd. Had Vautour not been in the race I think Apache would have won with daylight back to Valseur Lido.
Going by his Moriarty win, 2m 5f looks ideal for him. The Gold Cup trip would probably stretch him, and what’s more, the Ryanair looks completely lacking in depth.
October 8, 2015 at 01:16 #1215959Thanks for starting this thread Bobby, I can’t wait for the jumps season to get
underway. It’s just a shame that the Paddy Power isn’t the 1st bonus race in
the tentofollow, I loved spending hours putting a stable together, with the
bonus of £250,000 a big incentive. I see that you are running the competition
again this year Bobby, I’ll be sure to have a go, I missed it last year.As for the PP, I agree with a lot that’s been already posted. APACHE STRONGHOLD
would be very interesting if he turned up, but like THM, I think he might have
other plans. Again I agree with yourself and TAK, that JOHN’S SPIRIT fits the bill
nicely and would have to be a major player if he turns up.As usual, I’m always on the look out for something that might have escaped under the
radar and at decent odds. I reckon topweight is going to be around 160, so I’ve tried
to see if something decent is going to run off a mark that might give him a chance
against the big boys.It’s always hard with Willie Mullins horses, knowing whether they are intended runners, he is
a master at playing his cards close to his chest. If BLOOD COTIL (16/1) were to appear he would be
very interesting. He ran last in a good novice h’cap at Punchestown, beating Irish Cavalier off
a mark of 141, I’d imagine he might go up about 8lbs for that, which would give him a nice
racing weight. His run before that at Naas, he was hugely impressive. He could be a good one.Evan Williams has a live chance with BUYWISE (20/1). He won in a canter last April in a Grade 2 Limited
H’cap at Cheltenham and also ran a decent race in the PP last year. After making a couple of mistakes
and getting behind, he ran on well at the finish for 7th. I reckon the plan at that time was to target
it again this year. He looked a little unlucky in one of the h’caps at the festival this year, and was
closing well at the death to take 4th over 2m 5f. I think he will get the extra distance. Running off
149, just 3 lbs up from his run in the PP last year puts him in the picture.Paul Nicholls has a couple that come into calculations. CAID DU BERLAIS (20/1) won this last year off a mark
off 143 He knows this place like the back of his hand, his last 5 races all at Cheltenham. He ran a decent
3rd behind SPLASH OF GINGE, but his last two races he didn’t really get into it. As a consequence of
moderate form latterly, he runs off 149. If Nicholls has got him back to his form of last year’s race,
he has to be in with a shout.IRISH SAINT (20/1) I like even more. As I mentioned above he was beaten by BLOOD COTIL at Punchestown
(giving him 4lbs). He then ran a good race in the JLT Novice Ch at the festival this year, paying the price for
trying to stay with Vautour, upsides until he hit the 4th last, but kept on for a decent 4th. He runs off 153
and if aimed at this, he is cracking value at 20/1.I think IRISH SAINT and BUYWISE get the black spot from me, as they will be carrying my cash.
It’s always an open race, but I guess that’s why it’s so good.
Best of luck
October 13, 2015 at 14:23 #1217561SPLASH OF GINGE 20/1 for me here loves it around here
October 29, 2015 at 15:06 #1219510Ptit Zig’s been pencilled in for the Amlin at Ascot, but with Nicholls’ initial target for the race Far West on the sidelines and another string to his bow Sound Investment likely capped to the hilt after Aintree, could he be rerouted? I think he could run a race off 157, especially if you take his defeat of Josses Hill last season literally.
He’s also entered this weekend at Down Royal, but that’s meant to be the starting point for Saphir Du Rheu. I can’t imagine both making the trip for the same race. Any word on his intended running and I’ll be hitting the 20/1.
October 29, 2015 at 23:56 #1219541Ptit Zig’s been pencilled in for the Amlin at Ascot, but with Nicholls’ initial target for the race Far West on the sidelines and another string to his bow Sound Investment likely capped to the hilt after Aintree, could he be rerouted? I think he could run a race off 157, especially if you take his defeat of Josses Hill last season literally.
He’s also entered this weekend at Down Royal, but that’s meant to be the starting point for Saphir Du Rheu. I can’t imagine both making the trip for the same race. Any word on his intended running and I’ll be hitting the 20/1.
Ptit Zig takes up the Down Royal engagement. Ignore all of the above
I do find Annacotty an interesting runner however, although we’d need a wet one. That and a run for a new yard is always questionable when backing.
November 1, 2015 at 19:03 #1219995Does anyone know what Pipe’s going to do.
I think his King’s Palace win’ if he runs and am tempted now, however I hate backing ante post.
I just cannot see past it.
Loves Cheltenham, all his best form is this time mof the year, runs well fresh and jumps like a stag.November 2, 2015 at 00:42 #1220025droffats, there was a lot of talk on Betfair, that the son of Kings Palace owner, was on Twitter, saying that The Paddy Power was the main target.
Still mad keen on Double Ross here, and I’m strangely confident he can make the places here.
Itching to bet Irish Cavalier at 20’s too.
November 3, 2015 at 19:46 #1220281Now the Charlie Hall is done the season is up and running.
Johns Spirit at 16s is my first bet in this. Same reasons as mentioned on thread.
November 3, 2015 at 20:16 #1220283Thanks VTC
November 7, 2015 at 01:43 #1220562It seems connections are favouring this now for Ptit Zig. I’m on as heavy as a bird in a bloody temper
He’ll do an Al Ferof and lump this weight round. Look for Corbettsports, there’s still some 20/1 going……
Gift
November 10, 2015 at 11:26 #1220986This could potentially be an outstanding renewal of the race.
Only three horses competed off the 150 mark or greater when Caid Du Berlais won last year – Johns Spirit, Oscar Whisky and Edgardo Sol – but a plethora of unexposed, quality horses have stood their ground at this stage – let’s hope that remains the case come Saturday.
The winning mark has varied in recent years, but Johns Spirit (2014), Hidden Cyclone (2013) and Al Ferof (Won 2012) have all hit the frame off 156, 152, and 159 respectively in recent years.
I generally look for a 6YO / 7YO, second season chaser, rated in the 140s.
One horse that stands out is General Ransom. He hasn’t looked back since reverting to the bigger obstacles, and was a model of consistency and gradual progression last year. His two chase efforts at Cheltenham have yielded a win and place, the latter when chasing home Irish Cavalier at The Festival (beaten 3L, 15lb better off). He was arguably OTT at Sandown when well beaten by Cocktails At Dawn, but on a line through Howlongisafoot (whom he beat over the same CD earlier in the campaign), he clearly didn’t give his true running.
Cocktails At Dawn is unbeaten in two starts since a tactical change by connections, and duly romped home at Sandown on his final start last term and on seasonal debut at Chepstow. He has gone up 8lb for that success and, as a result, has passed the 150 threshold, but looks a improving animal. Prior to his average showing at The Festival (behind Irish Cavalier & General Ransom) Nicky Henderson said “Golden Hoof has got to give weight to Cocktails At Dawn but they could easily be handicapped the other way round”. He is obviously held in some regard by connections.
Of the others, Present View is 1lb lower than when third in this race last year, Kings Palace is open to any amount of improvement, while Sound Investment will do well to win off 159 – the same mark Al Ferof won off three years ago.
I backed Cocktails At Dawn for this race prior to his seasonal return, but I’m going to side with General Ransom and Kings Palace on the day. Cocktails At Dawn will find it difficult to dominate this field but is one to keep an eye on this season, while Kings Palace must prove he has the toe for this. However, the fact that he is well fancied for a race steeped in family tradition speaks volumes.
Josh Gifford trained the last dual winner of this race when Bradbury Star triumphed in 1993 & 1994, and I think the Nick Gifford trained General Ransom can go very close.
This guy is a machine. All he does is work out and pick winners. Talk about fit. You should see him without his shirt off, serious side of beef.
November 10, 2015 at 15:07 #1221009Lovely post, Bos – thanks
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