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June 23, 2013 at 21:34 #443834
Stakes are returned RR77, you wouldn’t make a loss tipping Sprinter Sacre, you would gain half a point profit for every point so 1 point win = a return of 1.5 (0.5 profit) and 2 points would return 3 (1.0 profit) the same as the Winter and Summer series competitions. I backed Simenon EW @ 8’s, I lost my win stake but returned my EW stake to return 3 in total with a profit of 2. Good start though RR77, and you’re in pole position for pretty much every other comp, and well done Patrick for winning Ascot.
June 23, 2013 at 22:47 #443839P.S. If you look at Nathan’s returns his stakes are included in his workings out.
Yeah, but I know what I’m doing……..
Blackbeard to conquer the World
June 24, 2013 at 00:18 #443845If anyone wants to work out their profit/loss…
Whether results are worked out with stakes in returns or not it still works out the same. It’s like working out your profit from bookmakers.
My first 2 are at ROYAL ASCOT.
RACE 1
ESTIMATE (ASCOT GOLD CUP) 13/2 Betvictor (2 points win)
RACE 2
PRINCE OF JOHANNE (ROYAL HUNT CUP) 16/1 general (1 POINT EACH WAY)Either without stakes included in returns:
2 points @ 13/2 wins +13 on the Ascot Gold Cup…
Then -2 points for losing the Hunt Cup bet.
13 –2
= 11.
Or with stakes included in returns:
2 points @ 13/2 wins 13 + 2 points stake = 15 returned…
But don’t forget by including stakes in return you also need to include them in the minus (stakes) column too.
15 –4
= 11.
Value Is EverythingJune 24, 2013 at 09:00 #443852If anyone wants to work out their profit/loss…
Whether results are worked out with stakes in returns or not it still works out the same. It’s like working out your profit from bookmakers.
My first 2 are at ROYAL ASCOT.
RACE 1
ESTIMATE (ASCOT GOLD CUP) 13/2 Betvictor (2 points win)
RACE 2
PRINCE OF JOHANNE (ROYAL HUNT CUP) 16/1 general (1 POINT EACH WAY)Either without stakes included in returns:
2 points @ 13/2 wins +13 on the Ascot Gold Cup…
Then -2 points for losing the Hunt Cup bet.
13 –2
= 11.
Or with stakes included in returns:
2 points @ 13/2 wins 13 + 2 points stake = 15 returned…
But don’t forget by including stakes in return you also need to include them in the minus (stakes) column too.
15 –4
= 11.
Was going over this in my head and I should be on plus 11, the way it’s worked out is exactly as you described, Ginger.
Sorry wasn’t trying to cheat, just not thinking straight when recording the 13 points profit.
Thanks Ginger for tiding it up.
June 24, 2013 at 16:48 #443894P.S. If you look at Nathan’s returns his stakes are included in his workings out.
Yeah, but I know what I’m doing……..
…… sometimes.
Value Is EverythingJune 24, 2013 at 21:22 #443923P.S. If you look at Nathan’s returns his stakes are included in his workings out.
Yeah, but I know what I’m doing……..
…… sometimes.
Agreed.
I cocked up last night, took 8/1 about Ektihaam in the King George woke up this morning and he was 12/1.
Blackbeard to conquer the World
June 24, 2013 at 21:46 #443934King George (Flat!):
Ektihaam 1 pt each-way @ 12/1 (William Hill)- 2
June 25, 2013 at 13:14 #443983All My quotes have run out
so one new bet and one remaining:Northumberland Plate
Tiger Cliff @ 9/2 BetVictor
2 Points win18 Points now used
including: still to run:
Intello @ 7/1 to win the Arc – William HillProfit so far +7
Things turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...June 25, 2013 at 13:15 #443984All My quotes have run out
so one new bet and one remaining:Northumberland Plate
Tiger Cliff @ 9/2 BetVictor
2 Points win18 Points now used
including: still to run:
Intello @ 7/1 to win the Arc – William Hill
2 Points winProfit so far +7
Things turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...June 25, 2013 at 20:07 #444008Kings Stand Stakes – Pearl Secret @ 14/1 (Bet Victor)
1 point E/W
Ascot Gold Cup – High Jinx @ 10/1 (Bet 365)
2 point Win
Coronation Stakes – Maureen @ 16/1 (SkyBet)
1 Point E/W
Wokingham – Hallelujah @ 25/1 (BetVictor)
1 Point E/W
Staked =
Return =
TotalNorthumberland Plate – Tominator @ 12/1 (Paddy Power)
1 point E/WStaked =
Return =
Total = -5.5. 5 of 15/25. 0 of 8
June 25, 2013 at 21:10 #444015Already placed:
Prince of Wales’s Stakes
Paddy Power
2 pts winWon +3.5 pts
Ascot gold cup
Paddy power
1pt winWon +5.5pts
Ladbrokes
1pt winLost -1pt
Coronation stakes
Paddy power
2pts winLost -2 pts
Now:
St Leger
Libertarian 6/1
Ladbrokes
1pt winStaked = -6
Return = +9Total
+3
3 of 15-25 0 of 8
Changing to:
Already placed:
Prince of Wales’s Stakes
Paddy Power
2 pts winWon +5.5 pts
Ascot gold cup
Paddy power
1pt winWon +6.5pts
Ladbrokes
1pt winLost -1pt
Coronation stakes
Paddy power
2pts winLost -2 pts
Now:
St Leger
Libertarian 6/1
Ladbrokes
1pt winStaked = -7
Return = +12Profit = +5
June 26, 2013 at 01:49 #444027Great comp Ginge
Diamond Jubilee
Reckless Abandon – 2pts win (12-1 Sportingbet)Add
Wokingham
York Glory – 1pt ew (25-1 Paddy Power)-4.00
A 25-1 winner plus a non runner means an overall profit of + 29.25, 2 bets used.
Northumberland Plate
Homeric – 1pt ew (14-1 Bet365)Total +27.25
June 26, 2013 at 10:24 #444037Already placed
Toronado 11/4
coral
2pts winAl Kazeem 2/1
William Hill
2pts win–
Won 6pts returned
Shamexpress 11/1
boylesports
1pt winKings Stand
Swiss Spirt 10/1
boylesports
1pt winPremio Loco 40/1
William Hill
1pt each/way–
Placed 11pts return
Simenon 8/1
Ladbrokes
1pt winRite of Passage 7/1
Sporting bet
1pt winArc
Orfevre 6/1
bet365, coral
2pts winChampion Hurdle
My Tent or Yours 6/1
various
2pts winWorld Hurdle
At Fishers Cross 9/2
skybet
2pts winCheltenham Gold Cup
Sir Des Champs 8/1
William Hill
1pt win2000 Guineas 2014
War Command 10/1
Ladbrokes
2pts win1000 Guineas 2014
Wonderfully 33/1
various
1pt win1000 Guineas 2014
Joyeuse 16/1
Ladbrokes
1pt winOaks 2014
Wonderfully 40/1
bet365
1pt winKing George V1 and QE Diamond Stakes
Ektihaam 8/1
Paddy Power
1pt each/wayCoral Eclispe
Al Kazeem 7/4
betvictor, Stan James
2pt winBlackbeard to conquer the World
June 26, 2013 at 10:28 #444038Already placed
Toronado 11/4
coral
2pts winAl Kazeem 2/1
William Hill
2pts win–
Won 6pts returned
Shamexpress 11/1
boylesports
1pt winKings Stand
Swiss Spirt 10/1
boylesports
1pt winPremio Loco 40/1
William Hill
1pt each/way–
Placed 11pts return
Simenon 8/1
Ladbrokes
1pt winRite of Passage 7/1
Sporting bet
1pt winArc
Orfevre 6/1
bet365, coral
2pts winChampion Hurdle
My Tent or Yours 6/1
various
2pts winWorld Hurdle
At Fishers Cross 9/2
skybet
2pts winCheltenham Gold Cup
Sir Des Champs 8/1
William Hill
1pt win2000 Guineas 2014
War Command 10/1
Ladbrokes
2pts win1000 Guineas 2014
Wonderfully 33/1
various
1pt win1000 Guineas 2014
Joyeuse 16/1
Ladbrokes
1pt winOaks 2014
Wonderfully 40/1
bet365
1pt winKing George V1 and QE Diamond Stakes
Ektihaam 8/1
Paddy Power
1pt each/wayCoral Eclispe
Al Kazeem 7/4
betvictor, Stan James
2pt winCheltenham Gold Cup
First Lieutenant 16/1
betvictor, boylesport
1pt winBlackbeard to conquer the World
June 26, 2013 at 12:07 #444044Backed So Far:
Simenon
1pt E.W 10/1 ‘Corals’
Magician
2pts WIN Evens ‘bet365’
Queen Anne –Chil The Kite
1pt E.W 66/1 ‘Various’
Sole Power
1pt E.W 10/1 ‘Hills’
Camelot
2pts WIN 11/4 ‘Stan James’
Coral Eclipse –Camelot
2pts WIN 6/1 ‘Various’
Gordon Lord Byron
2pts WIN 8/1 ‘Boyles’
and Compulsory Races:
1,000 Guineas –
Wonderfully
1pt E.W 33/1 ‘bet365’
Oaks –Wonderfully
1pt E.W 33/1 ‘bet365’
World Hurdle –Zarkandar
2pts WIN 8/1 ‘lads’
-20
Arc –
St Nic Abbey
1pt E.W 20/1 ‘Corals’
-22
June 26, 2013 at 12:16 #444045Backed So Far:
Simenon
1pt E.W 10/1 ‘Corals’
Return +3
Magician
2pts WIN Evens ‘bet365’
Queen Anne –Chil The Kite
1pt E.W 66/1 ‘Various’
Sole Power
1pt E.W 10/1 ‘Hills’
Return +14
Camelot
2pts WIN 11/4 ‘Stan James’
Coral Eclipse –Camelot
2pts WIN 6/1 ‘Various’
Gordon Lord Byron
2pts WIN 8/1 ‘Boyles’
and Compulsory Races:
1,000 Guineas –
Wonderfully
1pt E.W 33/1 ‘bet365’
Oaks –Wonderfully
1pt E.W 33/1 ‘bet365’
World Hurdle –Zarkandar
2pts WIN 8/1 ‘lads’
-20
Arc –
St Nic Abbey
1pt E.W 20/1 ‘Corals’
-22
11 selections -2 for each = -22
Returns thus far = +17Current Profit
June 26, 2013 at 15:37 #444053Already placed:
Prince of Wales’s Stakes
Paddy Power
2 pts winWon +5.5 pts
Ascot gold cup
Paddy power
1pt winWon +6.5pts
Ladbrokes
1pt winLost -1pt
Coronation stakes
Paddy power
2pts winLost -2 pts
Now:
St Leger
Libertarian 6/1
Ladbrokes
1pt winStaked = -7
Return = +12Profit =
Adding
Northumberland Plate
Lieutenant Miller 12/1
Bet Victor
1pt E/W -
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