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Bloody hell I’ve just tried reading the rules again and I’m completely lost. Is there no limit on how many races a competitor puts up?
I get the ‘8 Compulsory races’ and the ’15 from 25′ thing, but other than that can a competitor give infinite selections?
Sorry if I’m being a pain. Maybe I should just stick to donating the prize.
The 8 Compulsory races you have to pick a selection or you lose 2 points on each race you don’t select.
You can’t give infinite selections, from the other races you must pick a selection in at least 15 of the races but can pick up to 25 if you wish. So by the end of the competition including the Compulsory races you should have picked in a minimum of 23 races and maximum of 33.
Aha, I see …sort of.
I’m still a bit confused about the total limit of races we can pick horses from. My immediate thought was why would anyone wanting to win the competition only choose from 15 if they are allowed to pick from 25, but, although I’m still a bit vague about it, I’m guessing it somehow relates to the total amount of points you can invest rather than races?
Ginge (Or anyone else.) I’m going to show my ignorance here, but I’m not as clued up on the technical and betting side of things as the rest of you. Obviously I understand the concept of ante-post betting, but could you clarify (In terms that suit a simpleton.) exactly what constitutes an ante-post bet? Does it just mean any bet struck before the four day declarations are made?
The reason I’m asking is because I’d like to tip a couple of horses for next week’s Royal Ascot meeting but I’m struggling to find the races listed and priced up anywhere yet.
In particular I want to choose Mars in the Tercentary Stakes
(I want to back him too.) on Thursday but cannot find a price anywhere??
If I wait until it is listed on the race card previews at what point will I have missed the boat for the comp?
Sorry to sound like a lemon.
Hi Hammy,
Unfortunately the rules had to be a little difficult to make it worth while.
Races
need
to be in the list of "Compulsory" or "Other" races to qualify in this competition Hammy, so the Tercentenary does
not
qualify.
In the
named
races selections must be in by
midnight
the night
before
final decs are known.
Hope that helps. Any more questions, feel free to ask.
It does Ginge, but I’m still unsure as to when final declarations are made. Can you elaborate on that point? Is there a standard interval between final decs being made and a race taking place?
One thing this competition has illustrated to me is how little I actually know about the mechanics of racing. I feel pretty confident of evaluating races I’ve actually watched, but have little or no interest in the minutae of form/ratings etc, so tend not to take the knowledge onboard. Not great if you are a serious punter of course, but I’m not. My interest is mainly in the big meetings and races only.
Ginge (Or anyone else.) I’m going to show my ignorance here, but I’m not as clued up on the technical and betting side of things as the rest of you. Obviously I understand the concept of ante-post betting, but could you clarify (In terms that suit a simpleton.) exactly what constitutes an ante-post bet? Does it just mean any bet struck before the four day declarations are made?
The reason I’m asking is because I’d like to tip a couple of horses for next week’s Royal Ascot meeting but I’m struggling to find the races listed and priced up anywhere yet.
In particular I want to choose Mars in the Tercentary Stakes
(I want to back him too.) on Thursday but cannot find a price anywhere??
If I wait until it is listed on the race card previews at what point will I have missed the boat for the comp?
Sorry to sound like a lemon.
Hi Hammy,
Unfortunately the rules had to be a little difficult to make it worth while. Races
need
to be in the list of "Compulsory" or "Other" races to qualify in this competition Hammy, so the Tercentenary does
not
qualify.
In the
named
races selections must be in by
midnight
the night
before
final decs are known.
Hope that helps. Any more questions, feel free to ask.
It does Ginge, but I’m still unsure as to when final declarations are made. Can you elaborate on that point? Is there a standard interval between final decs being made and a race taking place?
One thing this competition has illustrated to me is how little I actually know about the mechanics of racing. I feel pretty confident of evaluating races I’ve actually watched, but have little or no interest in the minutae of form/ratings etc, so tend not to take the knowledge onboard. Not great if you are a serious punter of course, but I’m not. My interest is mainly in the big meetings and races only.
Times of final declarations do vary Hammy. Trainers need to declare for ALL Flat races in the morning two days before the race.
Jump races are normally done one day before. However, a lot of big jump races (which this competition is) also need to be done two days before the race.
It does become fairly well known who is and who is not running in the morning of declarations and a lot of bookies close the book (stop betting) in the hours leading up to declaration time. Which is why (for the benefit of this competition)
I made the cut off point 12:00 midnight the night before final declarations.
So for most races…
If say you are betting on a big Saturday race Hammy, OUR cut off point for the competition is likely to be
Midnight Wednesday night
. On occasions when final decs are done just one day before the competition cut off point is Midnight Thursday night.
But if you are still confused Hammy I suggest working to midnight three days before the race as your cut off point.
if everyone is agreeable? – we could work to midnight three days before the race in ALL races. As the essence of anti-post betting is betting in advance.
Value Is EverythingGinge (Or anyone else.) I’m going to show my ignorance here, but I’m not as clued up on the technical and betting side of things as the rest of you. Obviously I understand the concept of ante-post betting, but could you clarify (In terms that suit a simpleton.) exactly what constitutes an ante-post bet? Does it just mean any bet struck before the four day declarations are made?
The reason I’m asking is because I’d like to tip a couple of horses for next week’s Royal Ascot meeting but I’m struggling to find the races listed and priced up anywhere yet.
In particular I want to choose Mars in the Tercentary Stakes
(I want to back him too.) on Thursday but cannot find a price anywhere??
If I wait until it is listed on the race card previews at what point will I have missed the boat for the comp?
Sorry to sound like a lemon.
Hi Hammy,
Unfortunately the rules had to be a little difficult to make it worth while. Races
need
to be in the list of "Compulsory" or "Other" races to qualify in this competition Hammy, so the Tercentenary does
not
qualify.
In the
named
races selections must be in by
midnight
the night
before
final decs are known.
Hope that helps. Any more questions, feel free to ask.
It does Ginge, but I’m still unsure as to when final declarations are made. Can you elaborate on that point? Is there a standard interval between final decs being made and a race taking place?
One thing this competition has illustrated to me is how little I actually know about the mechanics of racing. I feel pretty confident of evaluating races I’ve actually watched, but have little or no interest in the minutae of form/ratings etc, so tend not to take the knowledge onboard. Not great if you are a serious punter of course, but I’m not. My interest is mainly in the big meetings and races only.
Hi Hammy
For your Royal Ascot Bets just type Oddschecker Royal Ascot into Google and you will get this:-
http://www.oddschecker.com/horse-racing … acing/flat
from this link you can find any of the races at Royal Ascot over the 5 days of the Meeting and the Ante Post price listed by all bookmakers, but remember to keep to the ones that Ginger has listed in the Rules and Regs or you’ll be on the ‘Naughty Step’
For any other races just type in the Meeting
i.e. York Races Oddschecker and the you will be sent to the appropriate page where you will find the prices.You can bet in any of the Races listed by Ginge either flat or jumps, the last race being the Derby 2014 so loads of time to use up your 25 races, but you MUST bet in all of the Compulsory Races listed as well…Just 2 points allowed per race however you want to use it and a bonus 2 points to be used in any of the Compulsory races (handy to keep for a non runner etc).
Hope this has helped Hammy, the rules do take a bit of getting you head around but I’m Ginge will put you right if you should go over or be under your limit.
Jac
Things turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...3 days before for the Ante Post bets to be in sounds a good idea Ginge, must admit I was a bit confused as to when the cut off point was.
Jac
Things turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...…when you are directed to the Oddschecker page don’t forget to select your Market from the 4 options above the racing and you will be given all the prices from the top bookmakers.
JacThings turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...Already Backed:
King Stand Stakes:
Swiss Spirit 1 point each way @ 12/1 (Paddy Power)Total -2
Gold Cup:
Estimate 1 point win @ 8/1 (Boyle)Total -3
Cheltenham Gold Cup:
Sir Des Champs 1 point win @ 8/1 (WH)
Boston Bob 1 point win @ 25/1 (B365)Total -5
St James’s Palace Stakes
Toronado 1 point win @ 11/4 (C)Total -6
St Leger
Libertarian 1 point win @ 6/1 (L)(5 "other races")
Queen Anne
Elusive Kate 1 point each way @ 12/1 (Boyle)Also in Ascot Gold Cup:
High Jinx 1 point win @ 10/1 (VC)World Hurdle
Solwhit 1 point win @ 7/1 (PP)(In 5 Other races, 2 Comuulsory)
NOW:
Prince Of Wales
The Fugue 1 point win @ 8/1 (VC)
Al Kazeem 1 point win @ 15/8 (B365)(In 6 Other Races, 2 compulsory)
-13Value Is EverythingHi Ginge and Jac,
many thanks I think I’ve pretty much got the gist of it now, although at the risk of looking a complete idiot I have to admit I still can’t see why you would only tip in fifteen races rather than twenty five??
And one more quick question reagrding the Oddschecker Jac. When you say I can find the odds for any of the races at Ascot you mean those in the competition right? I’m still not able to get odds for Mars in the Tercentary am I? (I want to back him.)
I thin AOB has now entered Mars in the St. James’s Palace Hammy, he’s as high as 16/1 with BetVictor, here’s the link to help you get on
http://www.oddschecker.com/horse-racing … kes/winnerThings turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...Prix de l’Arc de Triomphe – Intello @ 7’s (WH) 2 point win
St Ledger – Libertarian @ 6’s (L) 2 point win
Ascot Gold Cup – Simenon @ 8’s 1 point E/W-6
Prince of Wales – Al Kazeem @ 15/8 (B365) 2 points win
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Hi Ginge and Jac,
many thanks I think I’ve pretty much got the gist of it now, although at the risk of looking a complete idiot I have to admit I still can’t see why you would only tip in fifteen races rather than twenty five??
It’s optional Hammy if I tip in one race for instance and pick a winner at 2pts win at 100/1 why should I tip again? So for the interest in fairness it’s a minimum of 15 races and maximum of 25 races but it’s not just point’s won you lose points aswell so tactically if your 100 pts up after 15 races and everyone else is in the red you might not have to sacrifice an extra 20 points just sit back and laugh at everyone trying to catch you.
Blackbeard to conquer the World
Hi Ginge and Jac,
many thanks I think I’ve pretty much got the gist of it now, although at the risk of looking a complete idiot I have to admit I still can’t see why you would only tip in fifteen races rather than twenty five??
And one more quick question reagrding the Oddschecker Jac. When you say I can find the odds for any of the races at Ascot you mean those in the competition right? I’m still not able to get odds for Mars in the Tercentary am I? (I want to back him.)
I did not want to discourage anyone from entering the competition who does not have the time to study/enter 25 "Other races". So although those doing only 15 Other races may have a disadvantage – they still have a chance of winning the competition.
Obviously if there were no upper limit someone might select horses for all races, so their advantage would be so big as to discourage those only able to do 15.
It must be remembered those doing 15 other races have 30 points to lose in that section where as those doing 25 have 50 points to lose. So the advantage is not all one way.
If the vast majority end up doing 25 there may be a case to up the numbers of minimum and maximum numbers another year… If there is another year.
Value Is EverythingAlready placed
Arc
Orfevre 6/1
bet365, coral
2pts winChampion Hurdle
My Tent or Yours 6/1
various
2pts winSt James Palace Stakes
Toronado 11/4
coral
2pts winWorld Hurdle
At Fishers Cross 9/2
skybet
2pts winNow
Prince of Wales
Al Kazeem 2/1
William Hill
2pts winKings Stand
Shamexpress 11/1
boylesports
1pt winKings Stand
Swiss Spirt 10/1
boylesports
1pt winCheltenham Gold Cup
Sir Des Champs 8/1
William Hill
1pt winBlackbeard to conquer the World
Prince of Wales
–
Camelot
2pts Win 11/4 ‘Stan James’
Coral Eclipse
–
Camelot
2pts Win 6/1 ‘Various’
Meaning Backed So Far:
Ascot Gold Cup –
Simenon
1pt E.W 10/1 ‘Corals’
St James Palace –Magician
2pts WIN Evens ‘bet365’
Queen Anne –Chil The Kite
1pt E.W 66/1 ‘Various’
Kings Stand –Sole Power
1pt E.W 10/1 ‘Hills’
Prince of Wales –Camelot
2pts WIN 11/4 ‘Stan James’
Coral Eclipse –Camelot
2pts WIN 6/1 ‘Various’
and Compulsory Races:
1,000 Guineas –
Wonderfully
1pt E.W 33/1 ‘bet365’
Oaks –Wonderfully
1pt E.W 33/1 ‘bet365’
World Hurdle –Zarkandar
2pts WIN 8/1 ‘lads’
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Thanks guys I’ve got it now, it didn’t occur to me about the losing points as well as winning them.
Jac,
re -Mars, he’s been entered for that race (SJP) all along but according to an article I read his likely target is the Tercentary Stakes.
Just checked and he has been switched to the SJP as you said. I’m not so sure of his credentials over the mile trip.
Already placed
Arc
Orfevre 6/1
bet365, coral
2pts winChampion Hurdle
My Tent or Yours 6/1
various
2pts winSt James Palace Stakes
Toronado 11/4
coral
2pts winWorld Hurdle
At Fishers Cross 9/2
skybet
2pts winNow
Prince of Wales
Al Kazeem 2/1
William Hill
2pts winKings Stand
Shamexpress 11/1
boylesports
1pt winKings Stand
Swiss Spirt 10/1
boylesports
1pt winCheltenham Gold Cup
Sir Des Champs 8/1
William Hill
1pt winHunt Cup
Premio Loco 40/1
William Hill
1pt each/wayBlackbeard to conquer the World
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