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  • #388877
    Avatar photoGazs Way De Solzen
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    It is such a shame that Weapons Amnesty is injured, i think if he were fit, he would be there or there abouts.

    Doesnt seem the best of renewals for this years Gold Cup.

    #388883
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    Here are my thoughts for what there worth!!!
    On offical ratings

    Kauto Star 183
    Long Run 182

    The rest are at least 14 points below Kauto Star.

    So are we to assume the race is just between these two.

    I can only find 6 horses that have won back to back Gold Cups since 1924 so is Long Run up there with the likes of
    Best Mate,L’Escargot,Arkle and Cottage Rake?

    I’m wondering if Kauto Star is going to go out on a winning note and then be retired.
    Of the others the only one that might be of interest if he runs is Grand Crus given his time in the deltham was better than Kauto’s in the King George.

    #388907
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    If he stays up, I like Long Run to win, I think he’ll stay on past Kauto regardless of the pace that Kauto trys to dictate the race at.

    If Grands Crus runs, major problems for Kauto in my opinion. I think Grands Crus will take on Kauto going down the hill, he jumps well enough to get into a battle with him and I can see his fresher legs staying on to win the Gold Cup. Pipe should really be going for the Gold Cup looking at the field.

    Midnight Chase likes to lead but never got a blow in last year.

    Burton Port hasn’t been seen in donkeys.

    Synchronised beat a non stayer and a second season novice (not a great novice group so far are they?).

    What A Friend was flattered after catching up with a tiring Kauto who had battled with Denman for 4 furlongs.

    Captain Chris has/had potential to stay well and jumped well in the arkle, but doubts were there before his display yesterday.

    Looking down the list I don’t think any of the others deserve a mention.

    If Grands Crus don’t go I’ll be on Long run to win and Junior (nrnb) each-way.

    #388957
    Avatar photoGazs Way De Solzen
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    Am i correct in thinking that Albertas Run is going to be running in the Gold Cup rather than the Ryanair?

    Just wondering as he is a massive price and considering the competition for the place market, he might be worth a few quid.

    #388962
    sandwith100
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    This is becoming one of the easiest races at the festival. Long Run or Kauto. At 2 1/2 and 4’s it looks a decent betting prospect.

    #388968
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    Am i correct in thinking that Albertas Run is going to be running in the Gold Cup rather than the Ryanair?

    Just wondering as he is a massive price and considering the competition for the place market, he might be worth a few quid.

    I’d assume he’d be going for his third Ryanair. The reports circulating have merely come from the fact he holds an entry, as has occured with a few other horses and a few other races. Simple case of the media being low on stories in my opinion.

    #388972
    Avatar photoGazs Way De Solzen
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    Am i correct in thinking that Albertas Run is going to be running in the Gold Cup rather than the Ryanair?

    Just wondering as he is a massive price and considering the competition for the place market, he might be worth a few quid.

    I’d assume he’d be going for his third Ryanair. The reports circulating have merely come from the fact he holds an entry, as has occured with a few other horses and a few other races. Simple case of the media being low on stories in my opinion.

    Wasnt it Jonjo though, who was speaking within the relevant articles? Stating Gold Cup could be an option.

    Could be wrong, so i apologise if i have remembered incorrectly.

    #388973
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    In that case it could be an option. I’d assume though with the option of a third Ryanair in the air, and Synchronised being a live e/w shot in this, he’ll probably keep him at 2 and a half.

    #388979
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    If last year’s Ryanair thread is around you will see floating the idea of Albertas Run going for the Gold Cup is nothing new for Jonjo. If I was him I would just be glad to see the horse back on the track.

    #388982
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    This is becoming one of the easiest races at the festival. Long Run or Kauto. At 2 1/2 and 4’s it looks a decent betting prospect.

    Is Kauto a betting prospect? Doubt it personally. 2 1/2f further, up a hill…unless Hobbs does some serious schooling on Chris, I very much doubt we’ll have a Gold Cup winner without an amateur on his back.

    #388986
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    This is becoming one of the easiest races at the festival. Long Run or Kauto. At 2 1/2 and 4’s it looks a decent betting prospect.

    Is Kauto a betting prospect? Doubt it personally. 2 1/2f further, up a hill…unless Hobbs does some serious schooling on Chris, I very much doubt we’ll have a Gold Cup winner without an amateur on his back.

    I think that’s a little unfair, he’s been written off twice already this season and come out the other end a hero. Nicholl’s said part of his problem(Cheltenham included) last year was his inability to finish races, as indeed he did appear to be running on the spot going up the hill last year. This has now been worked on though, and although I wouldn’t necessarily nail my colours to the mast, I certainly wouldn’t rule him out.

    #388987
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    Well personally I think Kauto’s run exactly the same race in the Betfair and King George that he did in the Gold Cup. Stop the Gold Cup with 2 1/2f to run and see where Long Run is.

    #388991
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    Well personally I think Kauto’s run exactly the same race in the Betfair and King George that he did in the Gold Cup. Stop the Gold Cup with 2 1/2f to run and see where Long Run is.

    The difference being that the Gold Cup is a 3 mile 2 1/2 furlong race, where the horses and jockeys ride to the line, not until the 3 mile marker to see where they end up :P

    I certainly wouldn’t rule King Kauto out, I have already twice this season and ended up majorly :oops: !

    #389001
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    I haven’t ruled out Kauto either, I’ve hand on heart backed him for both the races this year, mainly cause of Paul Nicholls words on twitter the first time out and cause it was the same distance the next time and he won so well at Haydock. But to back him for the Gold Cup knowing the distance will be to Long Run’s suiting, you’d have to be crazy. He won’t be allowed to dictate if Grands Crus goes and possibly not if Midnight Chase is having a good day.

    #389390
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    The last of the 5/2 on Long Run has officially gone, ladies and gentlemen. 9/4 across the board.

    #389395
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    Still like the price of Quito De La Roque, as ridiculous as some people may find that.

    #389417
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    Highest Timeform Ratings for 3 mile Chasers
    212 Arkle
    191 Kauto Star, Mill House
    187 Desert Orchid
    184 Burrough Hill Lad, Long Run
    183 Denman, Master Oats

    As you can see we have on Timeform ratings the 2nd and 5th highest rated chasers in history in this years Gold. With the possible exception of Grands Crus the rest are handicappers, with improvement required of at least a stone on official ratings to be competitive.

    Long Run has achieved his rating before his sixth birthday, yes folks when he won last years Gold Cup he was only 5 years old.

    Kauto has been there, done it, got the T shirt, I just think he will run out of petrol in the closing stages like he did last year. Given that he puts everything into his races I pray he comes out in one piece.

    Enjoy these 2 brilliant horses while you can, it may be some time before you see there like again.

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