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Had decided a few days ago that this is the thread I’d have for next year. Won’t make a fool of myself with details of my bets, and instead will provide a service to people with a collation of connections’ quotes about intentions to run.
Just realised I should start the thread now, instead of just after the 2010 race.
Will start off as reference with a listing of the 2010 ratings:-
158 Albertas Run
158 Madison Du Berlais
158 Notre Pere
157 Taranis
156 Our Vic
155 Mon Mome
154 Black Apalachi
154 Joe Lively
154 Vic Venturi
153 Comply Or Die
153 Don’t Push It
153 Irish Invader
152 Made In Taipan
152 Niche Market
152 Tricky Trickster
151 Casey Jones
151 Cloudy Lane
151 Dream Alliance
151 Nozic
151 Possol
151 Siegemaster
150 My Will
150 Pablo Du Charmil
149 One Cool Cookie
149 War Of Attrition
148 Backstage
148 Ballyholland
148 Beat The Boys
148 Preists Leap
148 Roulez Cool
147 Beroni
147 Can’t Buy Time
147 Le Beau Bai
147 Seven Is My Number
147 Snowy Morning
146 Air Force One
146 Big Fella Thanks
146 Darkness
146 Deutschland
146 Louping D’Ainay
145 Character Building
145 Chelsea Harbour
145 Dooneys Gate
145 Gone To Lunch
145 Kornati Kid
145 State Of Play
144 Ellerslie George
144 Follow The Plan
144 Jayo
144 Royal County Star
143 Ballyfitz
143 Conna Castle
143 Equus Maximus
143 Eric’s Charm
143 King Johns Castle
143 Ollie Magern
142 Arbor Supreme
142 Cane Brake
142 Kilcrea Castle
142 Lennon
142 Maljimar
142 New Alco
141 Bible Lord
141 Irish Raptor
141 Mr Pointment
141 Parsons Pistol
141 Piraya
141 Razor Royale
141 The Package
140 Hello Bud
140 Iris De Balme
140 Palypso De Creek
140 Trust Fund
139 Abbeybraney
139 Cerium
139 Flintoff
139 Parsons Legacy
139 Royal Rosa
139 Silver Birch
138 Coe
138 Glenfinn Captain
138 Knowhere
138 Oodachee
138 Whinstone Boy
137 Faasel
137 Mumbles Head
137 Officier De Reserve
137 Sizing Australia
137 Trabolgan
136 Chief Dan George
136 Duers
135 Ballytrim
135 Offshore Account
135 Pak Jack
134 Boychuk
134 Kings Advocate
134 Treacle
133 Galant Nuit
132 Anothercoppercoast
132 Belon Gale
132 Pomme Tiepy
130 Merigo
129 Chiaro
129 Kilbeggan Blade
128 According To John
127 Lorum Leader
127 Old Benny
124 Over The Creek
121 Cossack Dancer
120 Wee Robbie
118 OffalyWilliams has said the Officier De Reserve is a horse for next season’s race, rather than this year, and Mullins has said a similar thing about Dooneys Gate, I think.
Will dig out the quotes next week. Bedtime.
Finally got my finger out:-
Willie Mullins, who has 10 engaged, said: "I will run as many as I can, but I think Deutschland (10st 12lb) is too young, although he will come over one day.
"Arbor Supreme (10st 8lb) has a good chance. He will love the ground, has a lovely weight and is a nice age. He wouldn’t want the ground soft as he can’t jump out of it.
"Snowy Morning (10st 13lb) would be the best of mine, but I don’t think Ballytrim (10st 1lb) or Pomme Tiepy (9st 12lb) will get in. Jayo (10st 10lb) is too young and although Dooneys Gate (10st 11lb) is a nine-year-old, we have only just found out he doesn’t stay.
"Beroni (10st 13lb) has a lot of weight, and while Irish Invader (11st 5lb) showed he loved it last year, I am astounded at the weight he has got. He is entered at the weekend and may run then and will have one, if not two, outings before the National."
Deutschland
and
Jayo
.
FFS, no wonder I ain’t heard of Jayo – he’s being aimed at the Arkle this year!
No, wait a minute. That was last year. Forgot that we are now in 2010.
Aimigayle was a horse being mentioned last year, but she hasn’t run since the Autumn.
Aimigayle
7-y-o (04May03 b m)
Midnight Legend — Cherrygayle (IRE) (Strong Gale (12.5f))
Trainer Miss Suzy Smith
Owner Pete Mercer
Breeder P J Mercer31 Oct 2009
Suzy Smith, trainer of runner-up Aimigayle felt that faster ground conditions would have suited her mare, who she regards as a long term Grand National prospect . . .
I’m already thinking that Chelsea Harbour might be an interesting horse for next year. Has been injured this season, and I’m not sure that he’ll get an ideal preparation for the 2010 running. If he were to come down a few pounds for next year . . .(yeah, I know, probably won’t get into the 2011 race . . .)
Tom Mullins would like to get one more run into Chelsea Harbour, possibly over hurdles, before a third crack at the John Smith’s Grand National.
The 10-year-old was ninth in the Aintree marathon in 2008 but fell at the third last year, and he has been handed 10st 11lb for this season’s renewal.
Mullins said: "It’s not a bad weight, I’d be happy enough with it. I think the bottom weight on the day will be about 10st 5lb. The top 60-odd horses this year only go down to 10st 7lb."
He added: "That means he could only be giving 5lb or 6lb to the bottom weight in the race, so it doesn’t look too bad.
"He had an injury but he’s back in flying form. I’d love to run him once more. It could be over hurdles, but it depends where it fits in."
Chelsea Harbour has not been in action since being well beaten behind Denman in the Hennessy at Newbury in November.Finally got my finger out:-
Willie Mullins, who has 10 engaged, said: "I will run as many as I can, but I think Deutschland (10st 12lb) is too young, although he will come over one day.
"Arbor Supreme (10st 8lb) has a good chance. He will love the ground, has a lovely weight and is a nice age. He wouldn’t want the ground soft as he can’t jump out of it.
"Snowy Morning (10st 13lb) would be the best of mine, but I don’t think Ballytrim (10st 1lb) or Pomme Tiepy (9st 12lb) will get in. Jayo (10st 10lb) is too young and although Dooneys Gate (10st 11lb) is a nine-year-old, we have only just found out he doesn’t stay.
"Beroni (10st 13lb) has a lot of weight, and while Irish Invader (11st 5lb) showed he loved it last year, I am astounded at the weight he has got. He is entered at the weekend and may run then and will have one, if not two, outings before the National."
Deutschland
and
Jayo
.
FFS, no wonder I ain’t heard of Jayo – he’s being aimed at the Arkle this year!
No, wait a minute. That was last year. Forgot that we are now in 2010.
Jayo is only a tiny wee thing Gerald. They’d be mad to ever risk him over the fences at Liverpool.
Arbor Supreme would be the only one of Willie’s I’d be remotely interested in. Real dour staying type. Could finally break the JP/McCoy National hoodoo!
In his Racing Post Stable Tour, Peter Bowen came across as being very keen on the Grand National. I might quote it later, if I can find it, and if it is illuminating.
This keenness is shown by his willingness to run a horse that has only had 4 chase starts.
Mumbles Head (IRE)
9-y-o (08Apr01 ch g)
Flemensfirth (USA) — Extra Mile (Torus (15.0f))
Trainer P Bowen
Owner Mrs Karen Bowen
Breeder John SweeneyBOWEN FAITH IN AINTREE HOPE
By Keith Hamer, Press Association Sport
Trainer Peter Bowen believes Mumbles Head can put two disappointing runs behind him when he returns to the track.
The nine-year-old novice chaser has had a break since being found to be under the weather when well-beaten at both Haydock and Wetherby.
He had shown useful form in his two previous starts at Newcastle, where he won a beginners’ chase before running the smart Irish novice Weapon’s Amnesty to four lengths.
Bowen has given Mumbles Head an entry in the John Smith’s Grand National but does not feel he will make the cut on 10st 3lb and may run him in the Topham Chase at the same April meeting at Aintree.
"I don’t think he’s got a chance of getting in the race, anything below 10st 7lb, 10st 8lb will struggle," said Bowen.
"He’ll probably have to go for the Topham. He’s going to be a decent long-distance chaser and
I see him as a future Grand National horse
.
"He’s not going to Cheltenham and will probably wait for Aintree.
"He was held up with the weather but he came back from Wetherby with a dirty trachea wash.
"You can write off his last two runs as that’s nothing like his form. He’s having a bit of a holiday before going to Aintree."
Findlay just said on C4 that Denman’s performance struck him as that of a Grand National horse in the future . . .
Findlay just said on C4 that Denman’s performance struck him as that of a Grand National horse in the future . . .
Gerald didn’t Findley say this for 2009 too, before pulling him out, déjà vu.May have done, or more likely said something in 2008. Would help explain why the price was so low last year. Did Nicholls say something this season to stop any GN gamble happening?
May have done, or more likely said something in 2008. Would help explain why the price was so low last year. Did Nicholls say something this season to stop any GN gamble happening?
Think I read or heard Paul Nicholls is not to bothered in winning a national, he rather win a champion hurdle. Maybe that’s why he’s got a poor record. However I won’t automatically dismiss his runners without evaluating their chances despite their trainer.Ps glad you keeping a record of national quotes for 2011 and if I see anything I’ll pop it on here, unless you beat me to it.
Okay, Rummy, here’s one I’ve been keeping for a couple of weeks, from the Weekender.
. . . Roulez Cool is also entered in the John Smith’s Grand National, so Waley-Cohen’s pre-Christie’s strategy had Aintree in mind too.
He explains: "I wanted to run him in a hunter chase after the national weights were published [February 16] but allowing enough time for a month’s break before Cheltenham . . .
"He’s rated 148 under rules and has been given 11st in the National. If he runs really well at Cheltenham and the handicapper sticks him up 7lb we might have to run [at Aintree] this year – if not we could wait 12 months."
I’m already thinking that Chelsea Harbour might be an interesting horse for next year. Has been injured this season, and I’m not sure that he’ll get an ideal preparation for the 2010 running. If he were to come down a few pounds for next year . . .(yeah, I know, probably won’t get into the 2011 race . . .)
Well, I’ve sort of got the first part of the plan right.
Chelsea Harbour
misses the rest of the season. I had rather hoped it would run, and not well, so that its price would be big next year.
Lets hope he makes it back to the track next season, and with all guns blazing. I don’t think we’ve seen the best of this horse yet.
Can’t be rsed to dig out the
Kilcrea Castle
story, but the plan is to go for the 2011 race.
At the moment, the trainer of the Irish National winner, Bluesea Cracker, is hesitant about running in the National, because she is a mare, and is thus more valuable than a gelding.
Came as a bit of a surprise to me, as I had gotten out of the habit of regarding the Grand National as a more dangerous race than others.
Had decided a few days ago that this is the thread I’d have for next year. Won’t make a fool of myself with details of my bets, and instead will provide a service to people with a collation of connections’ quotes about intentions to run.
Just realised I should start the thread now, instead of just after the 2010 race.
Will start off as reference with a listing of the 2010 ratings:-
158 Albertas Run
158 Madison Du Berlais
158 Notre Pere
157 Taranis
156 Our Vic
155 Mon Mome
154 Black Apalachi
154 Joe Lively
154 Vic Venturi
153 Comply Or Die
153 Don’t Push It
153 Irish Invader
152 Made In Taipan
152 Niche Market
152 Tricky Trickster
151 Casey Jones
151 Cloudy Lane
151 Dream Alliance
151 Nozic
151 Possol
151 Siegemaster
150 My Will
150 Pablo Du Charmil
149 One Cool Cookie
149 War Of Attrition
148 Backstage
148 Ballyholland
148 Beat The Boys
148 Preists Leap
148 Roulez Cool
147 Beroni
147 Can’t Buy Time
147 Le Beau Bai
147 Seven Is My Number
147 Snowy Morning
146 Air Force One
146 Big Fella Thanks
146 Darkness
146 Deutschland
146 Louping D’Ainay
145 Character Building
145 Chelsea Harbour
145 Dooneys Gate
145 Gone To Lunch
145 Kornati Kid
145 State Of Play
144 Ellerslie George
144 Follow The Plan
144 Jayo
144 Royal County Star
143 Ballyfitz
143 Conna Castle
143 Equus Maximus
143 Eric’s Charm
143 King Johns Castle
143 Ollie Magern
142 Arbor Supreme
142 Cane Brake
142 Kilcrea Castle
142 Lennon
142 Maljimar
142 New Alco
141 Bible Lord
141 Irish Raptor
141 Mr Pointment
141 Parsons Pistol
141 Piraya
141 Razor Royale
141 The Package
140 Hello Bud
140 Iris De Balme
140 Palypso De Creek
140 Trust Fund
139 Abbeybraney
139 Cerium
139 Flintoff
139 Parsons Legacy
139 Royal Rosa
139 Silver Birch
138 Coe
138 Glenfinn Captain
138 Knowhere
138 Oodachee
138 Whinstone Boy
137 Faasel
137 Mumbles Head
137 Officier De Reserve
137 Sizing Australia
137 Trabolgan
136 Chief Dan George
136 Duers
135 Ballytrim
135 Offshore Account
135 Pak Jack
134 Boychuk
134 Kings Advocate
134 Treacle
133 Galant Nuit
132 Anothercoppercoast
132 Belon Gale
132 Pomme Tiepy
130 Merigo
129 Chiaro
129 Kilbeggan Blade
128 According To John
127 Lorum Leader
127 Old Benny
124 Over The Creek
121 Cossack Dancer
120 Wee Robbie
118 OffalyWilliams has said the
Officier De Reserve
is a horse for next season’s race, rather than this year, and Mullins has said a similar thing about
Dooneys Gate
, I think.
Will dig out the quotes next week. Bedtime.
Just a suggestion but I’d scratch off any Presenting Prodigies from that list, come to the conclusion they don’t stay, dispite what the evidences leads you to.Well Rummy, I’ve got another one for you to cross off!
Stable Talk, Raceform Update this week.
Ballabriggs (IRE)
9-y-o (27Apr01 b g)
Presenting (14.3f) — Papoose (IRE) (Little Bighorn (13.3f))
Trainer D McCain Jnr
Owner Trevor Hemmings
Breeder Mrs S L JacksonOfficial Rating: 150
He’s won his last three races, including the Kim Muir at Cheltenham. He’s needed a lot more time (to recover) than some of the others we ran at the festival because it was a hard race, but he’s in good form and he’s 50-50 to run in the Topham at Aintree on Friday (3.45). If he doesn’t run we’ll put him away for next year when his target will be the
Well Rummy, I’ve got another one for you to cross off!
Stable Talk, Raceform Update this week.
Ballabriggs (IRE)
9-y-o (27Apr01 b g)
Presenting (14.3f) — Papoose (IRE) (Little Bighorn (13.3f))
Trainer D McCain Jnr
Owner Trevor Hemmings
Breeder Mrs S L JacksonOfficial Rating: 150
He’s won his last three races, including the Kim Muir at Cheltenham. He’s needed a lot more time (to recover) than some of the others we ran at the festival because it was a hard race, but he’s in good form and he’s 50-50 to run in the Topham at Aintree on Friday (3.45). If he doesn’t run we’ll put him away for next year when his target will be the
No class one win, no win close to 4 miles or even 3.5 miles. I know on paper he should stay but noticed with other presenting prodigies that they start to fade after 24-26 furlongs. I thought Niche Market would have ran well this national, but wrong and I’d don’t want to be biased but Presenting Prodigy will be the first ones coming off my list in future years, or until they prove themselves in a high class race at 4 miles.
I say this because I’m not sure did one win a 4 miles race in a lower class.
Gerald didn’t Findley say this for 2009 too, before pulling him out, déjà vu.
Just a suggestion but I’d scratch off any Presenting Prodigies from that list, come to the conclusion they don’t stay, dispite what the evidences leads you to.
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