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  • #280419
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    I’m too good to you lot. Here’s a combined list.

    Betfair price on the left.
    Sportingbet price on the right.

    160 Above Average
    55 Alandi
    28 Alcopop 22
    Basaltico 71
    100 C’est La Guerre
    150 Casual Conquest
    40 Changingoftheguard 26
    75 Crime Scene 51
    44 Daffodil 41
    Divine Rebel 41
    85 Doctor Fremantle
    110 Dream Journey
    Driffield Gold 71
    Efficient 35
    140 Eraset
    36 Faint Perfume 26
    220 Fanjura
    42 Hanks 35
    210 Hebridean
    Hissing Sid 71
    80 Hume 71
    42 Linton 28
    55 Manighar
    140 Martial Law
    70 Master O’Reilly 51
    Metal Bender 41
    Miss Maren 71
    110 Moatize
    36 Monaco Consul 26
    25 Mourayan
    42 Mourilyan 31
    160 My Bentley 71
    My Scotsgrey 51
    140 Naval Escort
    55 Oken Bruce Lee 35
    60 Our Aqaleem
    Passchendaele 41
    180 Patrician’s Glory
    Predatory Pricer 61
    60 Profound Beauty 41
    65 Purple 41
    38 Rebel Raider 61
    190 Rite Of Passage
    Roman Emperor 71
    250 Scintillo
    Scouting Wide 41
    44 Shamoline Warrior 31
    26 Shocking 23
    36 So You Think 26
    Spacecraft 71
    30 Speed Gifted 26
    150 Stand To Gain
    44 Star Ripper
    140 Sterling Prince
    Think Money 61
    Trusting 35
    100 Unsung Heroine
    70 Valdemoro 31
    30 Viewed 26
    60 Vigor 35
    Viking Legend 51
    120 Vodka
    Whobegotyou 71
    55 Zipping

    #280432
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    I’ve only just realised that there were 3 Japanese horses nominated for last year’s Melbourne Cup, all trained by

    Akira Murayama

    . Don’t know anything about him (?), whether he is a champion trainer, or whether he is a Don Quixote.

    Just looked him up on the Racing Post site. Won the Japan Dirt Derby last July.

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    In 2007, Akira retired from a jockey and turned to an assistant trainer for Japanese leading trainer

    Katsuhiko Sumii.

    In 2008, he is granted with a trainer’s license from JRA. He started operating THE A-TEAM in September 2008.

    During his career as a jockey and an assistant trainer, Akira has been a exercise rider for many Grade 1 winners. They include,
    Flower Park (Takamatsunomiya Kinen[Turf1200m] and Sprinters Stakes[Turf1200m])
    Kurofune (NHK Mile Cup[Turf1600m] and Japan Cup Dirt[Dirt2100m])
    Tanino Gimlet (Japanese Derby[Turf2400m])
    King Kamehameha (NHK Mile Cup[Turf1600m] and Japanese Derby[Turf2400m])
    Daiwa el Cielo (Japanese Oaks[Turf2400m])
    Delta Blues (Japanese St. Leger[Turf3000m] and Melbourne Cup[AUS-Turf3200m])
    Vodka (6 times Grade 1 winner including Japanese Derby[Turf2400m])
    Tall Poppy (Hanshin Juvenile Fillies[Turf1600m], Japanese Oaks[Turf2400m])

    Akira has been keen to learn from notable horsepersons abroad.
    In 1996, He joined the JRA overseas training program in England, France and Ireland, where he has ridden in two races.

    Akira has experienced training under successful foreign trainers including Kiaran McLaughlin in Belmont Park NY USA in 2006 and 2008.
    John O’Shea in Australia in 2008.
    Dubai camp for Hong Kong based trainer Anthony Cruz in 2008.
    Jonathan Shepard, leading steeplechase trainer in USA in 2008.
    His acquisition from experiences in the above listed stables will strongly contribute to stable operation in THE A-TEAM.

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    Has got 4 horses nominated for Dubai. Will be interesting to see if any turn up.

    2010.01.20:
    THE A-TEAM has entered 4 horses to the feature races in the Dubai Meeting in Dubai, United Arab Emirates.
    Our entries are as follows;

    Direct Catch(JPN) Dubai Duty Free-G1, Godolphin Mile-G2

    Hokko Pas de Chat(JPN) Dubai World Cup-G1, Dubai Duty Free-G1

    Kanetoshi Kosho(JPN) Godolphin Mile-G2

    Testa Matta(USA) Dubai World Cup-G1, Dubai Duty Free-G1, Godolphin Mile-G2

    Hokko Pas de Chat is/was his Cox Plate hope.

    #280442
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    Oh well, as the last post was about Japanese horses in Dubai, I might as well chuck this story in!

    Report: Super Thursday

    Meydan: Maktoum Challenge Round 3 (Group 2) 1m2f, AW, 3yo+

    JAPANESE filly Red Desire came from miles back to touch off the front-running Gloria De Campeao and win the third round of the Maktoum Challenge, which could put her in line for a tilt at the Dubai World Cup on March 27.

    Olivier Peslier brought the Mikio Matsunaga-trained four-year-old with a thrilling late burst down the outside to get up in the shadow of the post.

    Mr Brock finished close up in third but, of the other fancied runners, the winner’s compatriot Vodka faded tamely after travelling well, while Lizard’s Desire found little roomon the inner.

    Prix de l’Arc de Triomphe third Cavalryman made little impression on his Godolphin debut, staying on at one pace under Frankie Dettori.

    Red Desire, sent off an 8-1 chance in Britain, was

    runner-up in both the Japanese Guineas and Oaks

    last term before finally getting her moment in the sun with

    victory in the Grade 1 Shuka Sho, which is regarded as the fillies’ St Leger. She then finished third to Vodka in the Japan Cup.

    Red Desire’s connections now have a choice of engagements on World Cup night, with both the world’s richest race and the Sheema Classic on turf offering enticing options.

    Speaking through a translater, Matsunaga said: "We knew she had ability, but it’s here first time here so we didn’t expect much.

    "We’ll think about the World Cup, but it’s great to win here and it gives us confidence."

    Last year’s World Cup runner-up Gloria De Campeao, who won the first leg of the MaktoumChallenge in January, again ran with credit, returning at 6-1.

    #280457
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    Might as well waste some money on Dunguib too if you’re going to back Rite Of Passage to win a Melbourne Cup. ROP is much too dour to win a MC.

    I’ve have not the slightst doubt that Dunguib would win the race if it was run at The Curragh but, sadly, as a box walker he’d probably have fretted the race away by they time he crossed The Equator

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    Lloyd Williams just made the throwaway remark that he could run a horse in the Melbourne Cup first-up. Probably won’t, he was just emphasising a point regarding another horse in another race. Would more likely apply to Efficient than Linton, I’d have thought. Given the horse’s history, it is an option.

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    This guy owns diamond mine(s) in Canada, plus also Tale Of Ekati.

    February 4th, 2010
    Chuck Gettin’ a Jump on the Melbourne Cup!

    By Jack Werk

    The two-day New Zealand Premier Yearling Sale at Karaka on Monday and Tuesday produced some huge figures, including a sale topper by Zabeel who was purchased for a whopping NZ$2 million (about $1.4 million in US dollars). Overall, the sale was up 26 percent by average and 35 percent by median – amazing results for that part of the world when you consider that the Gold Coast sale was uneven. I didn’t go to Karaka because I was down with the flu, but I had insider info because my good friend Andrew Reichard, the publisher of Blue Bloods, was accompanying WTC client

    Chuck Fipke, who, as readers of this space know, is determined to win the Melbourne Cup!

    To that end, he was buying at Karaka and was also there with the great Australian trainer

    Bart Cummings

    , who will train the yearlings at Lelani Lodge and knows a thing or two about Melbourne Cup winners!

    More than a year ago, on Jan. 10, 2009, I wrote a post here that said this: “You heard it here, first! The Indiana Jones of the Thoroughbred industry, Canadian Chuck Fipke has set his sights on the Melbourne Cup!” Click here to read the post, where I also wrote this background on Chuck’s interest in the Melbourne Cup:

    “In 2007 and 2008, Darby Dan owner John Philips began a tradition for Chuck’s November sale advisors to dine at Dudley’s on the Monday night of the Melbourne Cup in Australia. Chuck got hooked watching the endurance race from Dudley’s, and it didn’t hurt that a group of Aussies at the table next to us this past November got us – and especially Chuck — hyped with their slurred chants of ‘Aussie, Aussie, Aussie!!’ (Chuck was buying the rounds!)

    “The winner in 2007 was Efficient, by the great Cambridge Stud sire Zabeel (sire of three Cup winners!), and the winner in 2008 was Viewed, trained by the legendary Bart Cummings.

    “After the race last November, Chuck stood up and declared, ‘That’s it, I wanna win the Melbourne Cup.’ He was dead serious, and I knew better than to say, ‘You’ve got to be kidding!’”

    In a Feb. 20, 2009, post, I wrote that on behalf of Chuck I had made the arrangements to send Chuck’s mare Perfect Secretary – a full sister to his G1 winner Perfect Soul – to New Zealand to be bred to Zabeel at Cambridge Stud. Click here to read that post, where I noted that Perfect Secretary would be permanently boarded at Cambridge Stud and bred to Zabeel every year in an attempt to get a potential Melbourne Cup runner (and winner!). The leading sire in NZ, Zabeel is a great source of stamina and is the sire of three Melbourne Cup winners to date!

    Well, Perfect Secretary is in foal to Zabeel, but Chuck decided to increase his odds for the Melbourne Cup by buying a few more Zabeels, and that’s exactly what he accomplished this week, buying two. And both the Zabeels that he purchased were from the outstanding Eight Carat family – appropriately named for the Diamond Man himself!

    Chuck’s first purchase, for NZ$575,000, was Lot #40, a Zabeel colt out of Markisa, by Danehill. (Click here to view pedigree). His second Zabeel, for NZ$220,000, was Lot #28, a Zabeel colt out of the appropriately named Love Diamonds, by Danehill! (Click here to view pedigree). For good measure, Chuck also bought a Montjeu colt, Lot #301, for NZ$440,000, and this one is out of a Danehill mare, too! (Click here to view pedigree).

    So, Chuck’s pursuit of the Melbourne Cup, which happened by a chance viewing of the race on TV at Dudley’s, is now well on it’s way to becoming a reality!

    #280941
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    Cup hopes for flying filly
    By PHILLIP QUAY – Sunday Star Times Last updated 05:00 13/12/2009

    Matamata trainer John Sargent says a patient approach will need to be maintained to give New Zealand’s most exciting stayer, Passchendaele, her best chance of winning next year’s Auckland and Melbourne Cups.

    That is why Sargent will resist the temptation to race the Montjeu four-year-old at the Ellerslie Christmas carnival despite her latest brilliant victory – a resounding 2 1/2-length win in the $100,000 Waikato Times Gold Cup at Te Rapa yesterday.

    "She will be going straight to the paddock now for a spell," Sargent said. "The City of Auckland Cup at New Year is tempting but we have bigger goals in mind next year.

    "The Auckland Cup is going to be worth a million dollars," Sargent said. "She hasn’t run the two miles yet, but the way she races points to her getting the trip.

    "I have never had a Melbourne Cup runner but I think she will be my first next year. She is the best staying mare I have trained."

    Within the space of a golden hour yesterday, Sargent also posted wins with Kiwi Hussler at Te Rapa and Dawn Ghost at Awapuni, but undoubtedly Passchendaele’s Group Two success in the hands of Mark du Plessis was the most special for him.

    It represented back-to-back wins in the Waikato Cup for Sargent after he won the race last year with Lovetrista.

    "She has shown real talent right from the start of her career and still has plenty of scope to improve."

    Passchendaele, the winner of five of only nine starts, is owned by her breeders, David and Elizabeth Olsen, who have raced a number of well-performed gallopers including Passchendaele’s dam, Classic Babe and Flying Babe, whose wins included a $1m two-year-old race at Te Rapa.

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    I’ve just come across a website, where someone is doing pretty much what I’m doing here – collating relevant news stories.

    http://melbournecupmax.blogspot.com

    I’m going to look through his blog now. The moral decision I have to make, is is it okay for me to lift stories from him???

    #280952
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    The only different horse I came across on that blog was Zazabeau. Unfortunately, on Pedigree Query it says he broke a leg in 2010 and was destroyed.

    There was also a mention that after running in lots of G1s to improve his stud value, that Monaco Consul might go for the Melbourne Cup. However, he didn’t negotiate the turn yesterday in the NZ Derby, and I came across a suggestion elsewhere that there must be some physical ailment causing him pain if he was unable to do that.

    #281251
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    Passchendaele

    cracked a cannon bone yesterday. It is lengthwise, and they are holding out hope for getting her back for the Spring.

    My Scotsgrey

    done a tendon a few weeks ago, and is out for a year.

    The dual passport holding

    Capecover

    added the Adelaide Cup today to the Mornington Cup. Apparently was blocked in his run when finishing out of the back in the 2009 MC. Will be 8yo next season though, so ignore him.

    #281367
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    There’s no news in this post – I just found it funny them describing it as a European measure, bringing back an injured horse for the Autumn instead of waiting for the Spring, when a Derby winner being prepped for the Melbourne Cup is being run over 6f and 1 Mile! :lol:

    Tuesday, 9 March 2010
    By Caryl Williamson

    Rebel Raider’s racecourse rehabilitation continues in the Blamey Stakes at Flemington with trainer Leon Macdonald happy with his progress.

    The dual Derby winner was the early favourite for last year’s Melbourne Cup but his mission was aborted when he was found to be lame after trackwork in early September.

    The four-year-old underwent surgery to remove a bone chip and has spent many hours on the newly-installed water walker at Adelaide’s Morphettville track.

    Macdonald decided to adopt a European approach by bringing him back for a short autumn campaign rather than leave him idle until he went back into training for the Melbourne Cup.

    The four-year-old ran seventh in the Matrice Stakes (1200m) at Morphettville on February 27 and steps up to 1600 metres on Saturday.

    "He came through his last run in good order," Macdonald said.

    "I doubt he can win over 1600 metres against some of these hard, fit horses but we’ll have a crack.

    "I will be happy to see him running on in the race and after that we will decide whether to give him another run in the Easter Cup.

    "The main thing was to get him used to it all again."

    Macdonald’s autumn options were limited to the southern states after Rebel Raider showed his aversion to right-handed tracks in 2009 in Sydney.

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    That Sherlock Holmes work last Thursday may have been in vain . . .

    Japanese in doubt for Cup
    ANDREW EDDY
    March 10, 2010

    THE Japanese may have to wait until 2011 to make another bid for the Melbourne Cup, with further quarantine issues clouding their return this spring.

    Racing Victoria Ltd chief executive Rob Hines said yesterday that he feared bureaucratic red tape would thwart the first Japanese tilt at the race since they quinellaed the event in 2006 with Delta Blue and Pop Rock.

    He said protocols to approve quarantine facilities in Japan were far from finalised to enable a Japanese horse to arrive in Melbourne in August to prepare for the 150th running of the Cup in November.

    ”It is a complex and lengthy process that may not be completed in time.” he said.

    Quarantine protocols with Japan were eased earlier this year from the strict regime that existed since the equine influenza outbreak in NSW and Queensland in 2007.

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    Changingoftheguard died due to his gelding operation.

    Our Aqaleem has basically broken a shoulder, but ain’t dead yet.

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    Changingoftheguard died due to his gelding operation.

    Our Aqaleem has basically broken a shoulder, but ain’t dead yet.

    I was about to come here and say that – what bad luck for David Hayes. Two of the better imports and it is likely they’ll both be dead come the end of the day.

    Not good!

    The buildup to the Australian Derby begins this weekend with the rescheduled running of the Australian Guineas (Gr 1), and also the running of the Randwick Guineas (Gr 1), both over a mile. The logical progression is to either the Rosehill Guineas (Gr 1) over a mile and a quarter in two weeks time, or the Tulloch Stakes (Gr 2) also over a mile and a quarter in three weeks time. Then the Derby is a week after the Tulloch.

    Here is the Randwick Guineas field:

    6-04.10 TURNPOINT ROYAL RANDWICK GUINEAS (1600 METRES)
    Of $350000 and $2400 trophies. 1st $210000 and trophies of $1700 to owner $350 to trainer $350 to jockey, 2nd $66500, 3rd $33300, 4th $15800, 5th $8800, 6th $5200, 7th $5200, 8th $5200.
    Starter Subsidy: $200 for non-prize earning runners.
    For Three-Years-Old. Set Weights. (GROUP 1).
    No Allowances for apprentices. Field Limit: 20 + 4 EM
    No Horse Trainer Jockey Barrier Weight Penalty Handicapper
    Rating
    1 KIDNAPPED Peter Snowden Joshua Parr 9 56.5 97
    2 MONTON Tim Martin Jay Ford 16 56.5 95
    3 HANKS Peter G Moody Damien Oliver 7 56.5 94
    4 SHOOT OUT John Wallace Stathi Katsidis 5 56.5 94
    5 MORE THAN GREAT David Payne Brad Pengelly 8 56.5 92
    6 VIKING LEGEND Gai Waterhouse Brad Rawiller 1 56.5 92
    7 CAPTAIN SONADOR Roger Milne Scott Seamer 6 56.5 88
    8 DELAGO BOLT Gary Portelli Nathan Berry (a) 14 56.5 87
    9 GATHERING John P Thompson Jim Cassidy 11 56.5 86
    10 SIR HALLOWELL David Harrison Patrick Carbery 3 56.5 85
    11 COSMOCRAT Mick Price Blake Shinn 10 56.5 75
    12 SAINT ENCOSTA John P Thompson Tim Clark 13 56.5 73
    13 ZABRASIVE (NZ) John O’Shea Hugh Bowman 15 56.5 69
    14 THE COMEDIAN Lee Freedman Glyn Schofield 17 56.5 68
    15 LEICESTER SQUARE Paul Messara Daniel Ganderton (a) 12 56.5 61
    16 RUN FOR NAARA John P Thompson Chris Munce 4 54.5 88
    17 INDIAN OCEAN Tim Martin Tye Angland 2 54.5 84

    Of these, Hanks, Shoot Out, Viking Legend, Gathering, Cosmocrat, Saint Encosta, Zabrasive, The Comedian and Leicester Square look the most likely Derby types. Run for Naara and Indian Ocean are fillies and will head to the Oaks.

    As I described it yesterday to a friend, the Australian Guineas (featuring Denman, Rock Classic, maybe Hanks, Linton) tends to be more for horses who are established at Gr 1 level, whereas the Randwick Guineas is more for the up and coming types.

    The Derby is vital though from a Melbourne Cup perspective, although it isn’t normally the best reference for a Melbourne Cup.

    Since it was switched to our autumn in 1979, only one winner has placed in the Melbourne Cup in the same year as winning the Derby, and that was Our Paddy Boy in 1981. Only one other winner (a champion in Kingston Town) has placed in any subsequent Cup – he ran 2nd in 1982 to Gurner’s Lane, although he should have won.

    Nevertheless, they are always thrown into the betting after they win, and normally stay there too.

    Roman Emperor was 9-1 SP last year, he ran 21st. Nom Du Jeu was 7-1 in 2008, he ran 7th. Fiumicino did not run in 2007. Headturner started at 25-1, he finished down the track.

    It will be interesting to see if this year is different.

    Sorry for my rant, once I start I find it hard to stop.

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    I suppose I could look this up myself, by looking at the past records of the 4yo winners. Okay, I’ll do it tomorrow. Was just wondering about MC winners running in the AJC Derby without winning.

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