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You can have as much Lancaster Bomber with us as you like TAPK. Feel free to come back for third helpings at top price! He won’t touch 16/1 unless one of the big newspaper tipsters digs him out. I’ll be mildly surprised if he’s in the first seven.
Interesting to read that Al Wukair’s connections agonised about adding a visor. A bit of an unusual thing to reveal with a Classic contender. I thought he was a bit green in the early stages last time out but perhaps there is something more sinister in him.
It’s Barney Roy for me.
LD they mate Galileo with speedy dams to get the perfect combination of speed and stamina.
The whole coolmore operation is revolved around the classics. If you look at Galileos, he had Frankel who was by a very speedy mare and stayed at least 10 furlongs, and Cape Blanco who was also speedily bred on the dam side and won the Irish derby. There are many other examples. Churchill started off at six but the way he stayed on in that race suggested a horse that would easily stay beyond that distance and his subsequent races have confirmed that impression.
I would be more concerned that Churchill is too laid back than him not saying. Galileo was extremely laid back and has passed those attributes on to his progeny; however there seems to be a fine line between being laid back and actually being downright lazy and I hope Churchill doesn’t cross it.
True enough but if you look at Frankel’s female line, Kind produced Bullet Train (winner over 11.5F) and Noble Mission (winner over 10.5F & 12F) and she was by Rainbow Lake (Lancashire Oaks winner over 12F) who produced Powerscourt (Arlington Million winner over 10F and 3rd Breeders Cup Turf 12F), Last Train (Arc winner 12F) and Riposte (Ribblesdale winner 12F). So there was a lot of evidence that he would stay further than 8F
Churchill is by Meow who never ran further than 5F with her only other listed foal (a twice placed maiden) never going further than 7F. Meow’s dam was Airwave who did win over 8F but she was better known as a 5f & 6F horse and of Airwave’s other offspring only Aloof (9.5F & 10F winner) and Orator (2 wins over 10F) have form further than 8F. Airwave’s dam Kangra Valley only ran over 5F & 6F and only one of her other offspring ran further than 7F and guess what Kangra Valley’s dam Thorner Lane never ran further than 6F. The evidence suggests that 8F will be his optimum trip with a small chance he could stretch to 10F but they have said that he has always shown a lot of basic speed so one could argue that he wouldn’t be inconvenienced by a drop in trip either.
Cape Blanco (whose dam Laurel Delight was a 5F & 6F specialist) had a half brother by Mukaddamah that was twiced placed in US G1s over 10F & 11F but she also produced a full brother Fortunate Son who was 4th in a Listowel maiden hurdle over 2m! Not an exact science so I guess anything is possible.
Yeah but I think Churchill is pretty much bombproof (excuse the pun) over a mile, Caravaggio was a much more dubious stayer which is presumably why they’ve fallen out of love with sending him here
Was watching this Coolmore documentary yesterday where they’re showing horses like Gleneagles, Australia, Camelot… it’s not hard to see Churchill joining his half brothers as a classic winner standing in Ireland, is it?
You can have as much Lancaster Bomber with us as you like TAPK. Feel free to come back for third helpings at top price!
Sadly not pal,I tried to get the 28’s but could only get 25’s to £10 e/w….Its the place money price that bookmakers are failing to pick up on with Lancaster Bomber,he will go off 16/1 at least and should be shorter really.
Al Wukair disappeared from the betting for a while and the market was juggled about.
Thankfully he is back in the betting.
Eminent is worryingly weak tonight, 15/2 is a “Man the lifeboats” price.
Churchill is a silly price at Evens but no doubt some will wade in blindly anyway.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
I hear that Pricewise has decided not to tip a horse in the Guineas, I thought he might have gone for Barney given that 4/1 has completely disappeared now.
9/2 for Al Wukair is my bet
After posting 2 weeks ago this could be a ‘lump on the favourite race’, I had posted again within 48 hours that the Fabre horse’s turn of foot is the reason I like him.
I absolutely stand by that statement. The fast pace should play to his strength as he just picks them off at the bottom of the dip.
Come on La France
9/2 for Al Wukair is my bet
After posting 2 weeks ago this could be a ‘lump on the favourite race’, I had posted again within 48 hours that the Fabre horse’s turn of foot is the reason I like him.
I absolutely stand by that statement. The fast pace should play to his strength as he just picks them off at the bottom of the dip.
Come on La France
By the same token i’ve decided to add eminent
that same fast pace will suit this strong staying frankel down to the ground and his progeny have been mopping up everything of late
also he did me a favour last time so seems wrong to desert
I’ve now got two of the “big four”, assuming there is a big four, (lancaster bomber and dream castle fans might not agree) so in theory I should be in a good situation.
never underestimate the power of frankel to amaze.
Just have this doubt in my mind about Churchill as well which is why I need a back up. Churchill has really been scrambling home in most of his races and in each stumbling victory has got more and more hyped. Let’s be honest, even that Dewhurst win wasn’t that great, was it? And the vibes don’t seem that amazing considering it’s the O’Brien hype factory. You sensed there were stronger vibes last year with Air Force Blue, and even that got beat.
It just feels like emperors new clothes stuff with Churchill.
the huge misconception here is because he’s been pacemaker for ‘Churchill’ three times before,Bookmakers believe he’s there to do it again,had ‘Spirit of valor’ not been in the race then I could understand that thinking but ‘Lancaster’ has ran on his own merits since
I’ll add this one for you Gord. LB is down to run in the Preakness next along with a stable mate, guess who ?
Sweet Jesus. You get a big article on the Racing Post website with William Hills shouting the odds (Literally) that they are quite happy to take Churchill on at 2/1 odds.
You go to Oddschecker this morning and what price is Churchill with Hills? 11/8
They must have taken 50p at 2/1 before their arsehole collapsed.
This sort of rubbish should not get media attention. Don’t give oxygen to the soundbite chickens pretending they have a pair of “Chicken Nuggets”
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Larchmont Lad 40/1 for me. Didn’t get the run of the race in the Craven LTO and ran on his own away from the top 4 in the race. Will come on for the run and I feel we’ve wrote him off too early. Won a G3 round the course which is a big plus. Buick in the saddle and it wouldn’t be the first time one of the stables second strings goes in instead of the more fancied ones.
Sweet Jesus. You get a big article on the Racing Post website with William Hills shouting the odds (Literally) that they are quite happy to take Churchill on at 2/1 odds.
You go to Oddschecker this morning and what price is Churchill with Hills? 11/8
They must have taken 50p at 2/1 before their arsehole collapsed.
This sort of rubbish should not get media attention. Don’t give oxygen to the soundbite chickens pretending they have a pair of “Chicken Nuggets”
I have been shopping this morning with my Girls and I popped into a William Hill shop and saw about 10 lads all having £50 win bets on ‘Churchill’ at 2/1,I asked the manager how much he’d taken and said £2000…I reckon one lad was getting his pals to put it on mind but they did honour the price from 9-9,30am Steve.
That offer was available only between 8.30am and 9.15am
OK. That’s no use to me though, I have a sleep disorder and my pattern doesn’t allow such ungodly early hours?
It’s still a bit of a con though. The article makes out that they are going to lay 2/1 all day and stand like Churchill himself, fighting the punters on the beaches and in the Hills (Literally in this case)
I assume that if someone walked in wanting £50,000 on at 2/1 they would have been chased?
That’s another thing that gets on my paps, the pop up adds screaming that you can get 33/1 on a shortie and you then read that the maximum stake is £1.
These offers are never quite what they purport to be.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
I’m still with Churchill at 6/4, just. Lancaster Bomber is 29/1 on betfair exchange (£700+ available) and that isn’t a bad price for the Dewhurst runner up if you are looking for an alternative to the favourite.
Larchmont Lad 40/1 for me. Didn’t get the run of the race in the Craven LTO and ran on his own away from the top 4 in the race. Will come on for the run and I feel we’ve wrote him off too early. Won a G3 round the course which is a big plus. Buick in the saddle and it wouldn’t be the first time one of the stables second strings goes in instead of the more fancied ones.
With you on that Gibbs. Hoping he can run into a place
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