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  • in reply to: Cesarewitch 2024 #1712612
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    Heads should roll at the BHA over this (Brant Dunshea? Shaun Parker?)

    Many people including plenty of TV pundits said the horse should have been disqualified on the day. They were all wrong and further evidence that the result should not be altered on the day.

    in reply to: State of horse racing #1712456
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    The example Ralph Beckett gives about the small increase in prize money over 20 years in the November handicap actually flatters the race. In the years following Beckett winning it in 2005 the prize money went up to 47k then 53k, 60k and 62k until nosediving to 40k when Betfred took over sponsorship of the race but still a few grand more than today.

    This isn’t an isolated case, there are many races like this. It’s an absolute shambles the way the sport is run in this country but don’t expect anything to change for the better anytime soon, if ever.

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    “It seems that at Wincanton yesterday ITV either decided or been told not to show a replay of significant falls in the closing stages of races so as to not upset the do gooders even when they know the horses are ok.”

    Thought that was a very poor decision by those in charge at ITV. The big race of the day and two important fallers during the race, Remastered and The Changing Man. No analysis or review of why they fell or how well they were going. Can’t imagine American broadcasters ducking such issues, they get in there with the vets etc, even on the flat to keep the public informed.

    If ITV don’t want to show fallers, even when they know they are ok maybe they shouldn’t be covering the sport at all.

    in reply to: Grand Sefton 2024 #1712338
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    As someone said on Betfair, Red Rum wouldn’t have won one National never mind 3 over these powder puff excuses for fences.
    It isn’t a jumping challenge anymore and the excitement has gone. Maybe the sport should be closed down entirely rather than allowed to become even more a farce.
    Even the brave winner of the Badger Beer just went through 2 of the last 3 fences when surely tiring, although the mistakes seemed to make little difference to his impetus.

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    Interesting theory from Dave Nevison on Racing TV yesterday regarding small fields. Bear mind that this has been a problem for years, he said that he didn’t consider small fields was due to there being too much racing but that it was due to there not being enough horses in training. :scratch:

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    Racing makes the headlines for the second day running on BBC Breakfast for all the wrong reasons.
    A loud claxon should be sounded over the tannoy if a race needs to be stopped as well as having advanced flagmen. Wouldn’t be surprised if human error was involved as they didn’t seem much of a problem with the tractor after the race was stopped.

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    “I know the horses competing today are very decent jumpers, but the obstacles don’t seem to be a proper test of jumping any more. As much as I hate horses falling or being injured the GN fences still should be more than just a couple of plain ones.”

    They wont be satisfied until every horse in the “national” completes the course. And then they will hail it as a great success.

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    The walk over did mean the sport did get some publicity on BBC Breakfast this morning, they even showed it!
    Although the 3 presenters including the sports “expert” hadn’t a clue what they were talking about. No surprise there though.
    Naga said if one horse could trot for one furlong why couldn’t the others while Bushell thought it was Captain Teague’s first ever run.

    in reply to: Old Roan Chase 2024 #1711012
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    “Fair enough Yeats. Just thought by describing the ride as a “disgrace” you thought it warranted a full Stewards Enquiry. :rose:”

    Ginger,

    I didn’t describe the ride as a disgrace but the fact that the stewards hadn’t even bothered to have an enquiry regarding it. But as the stewards decided to have an enquiry into the ride in the end, I will let them off ;-)

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    Gingertipster

    “That said, just because the ride is poor does not mean it was a non-trier. No point stewards looking into it.”

    As far as I know stewards aren’t restricted to just having an enquiry only if they consider a ride a non trier. Many jockeys and connections have been called in to explain a ride, as should have been the case here.
    Fox was motionless for so long in this race I half thought he was considering pulling up.

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    A late posting by the BHA on their website states they did have an enquiry into the ride and connections explanations noted.

    Well done stewards! :good:

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    Ahoy never put in the race till it was too late. A disgrace that the stewards never even bothered to ask the question to connections.

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    Angus “PAR” McNae – WALOFS

    What evidence is there that this is of any use and that viewers want it?

    Did you see those “PAR” charts of his for Champions Day? Need a 200 inch screen to make anything out, even if you wanted to.

    in reply to: Cesarewitch 2024 #1709993
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    There will always be winning and losing punters whatever the result. Rules can’t be based on favouring a 7/1 shot against a 33/1 shot.
    The whip rules are rubbish but taking that we have to accept them, the rules also state that possible whip breaches are reviewed the following week. It’s impractical for them to decided in between races on a busy afternoon in a race with 30 runners. There could be conjecture on multiple runners whether certain whip strokes actually made contact. How many mistakes have local stewards made regarding interference?
    It happens so infrequently that I suppose we just have to accept the lesser of two evils occasionally.

    I noted not one of the many contributors to ITV racing noticed anything amiss with the ride on the first past the post, not that any enquiry and/or revised result would have taken place before their broadcast finished.

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    Only time I backed him was in the Guineas :negative:

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    Think the decision to not confine the NH chase to amateurs is premature. What harm would it have done to see how it went for a year or two?

    An increase in prize money of only £115,000 over the 4 days is poor, just over 2%. While a pint of Guinness goes up another 4% to £7.80 :negative: It’s a lot less than half that at Wetherspoons!

    According to Ed himself, the powers that be consulted Ed Chamberlin regarding the changes for Cheltenham even if they didn’t consult the AJA.

    How odd? Wouldn’t they be better off consulting people with a good racing knowledge? Wonder who else they consulted.

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    But the powers that be have wanted the top races to clash for years. Why else would they have shunted so many mid week races to a Saturday and introduced the mouthwatering “Super Saturday” for us to enjoy?

    Most of the prize money for the Leger meeting is pathetic, less than 80 grand for the Doncaster Cup is laughable and 36 grand for most of the handicaps.

    Frankie missed British racing at first but not now, as I think he has said. He was riding at recent meeting at Kentucky Downs, hardly one of America’s bigger tracks and most of the races were worth nearly a million quid to the winners.

    The BHA continue to do absolutely nothing to stop the decline of British racing.

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    What a farce!

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