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tttracing.
If you could read,you would have noticed that I said that the 3 Races System would show a Profit over a Season.Coma back with your comments next February.
You take the High Road and I’ll take the Low Road,and I’ll be in Profit before you.
Keep Checking 3 Races Update.
If Hawk Wing was Lame yesterday as the vet states.<br>Then he was in the same class as Dubai Destination.<br>Another lame horse that came back from injury to win a classic.
Coolmore Stud are not depending on stud fees to keep their operation going,as the name suggests.
I will stand by my statement about Kinane miss judgeing the race,and loseing by his discracefull error.
I have seen the same from other TOP jockeys in the past.I am not saying that Kinane purposely did what he did.But he is a professional jockey,and he should have known how to get the best run from Hawk Wing.<br>Hawk Wing DID NOT lose of his own accord,in my opinion.We will see how true to form he runs his next race,and I presume at much better odds than 8/13.
If anyone taped the race,watch the replay.
The End,Enough said.
The only ?INJURY? Hawk Wing had was.
HIS JOCKEY>>>>M.J.KINANE.
DISCRACEFULL JUDGEMENT.
Jim JTS.
Well said Jim, I did back Hawk Wing,I have looked at the Video of the race a number of times.And in my opinion{ if my opinion counts for anything} M.J.Kinane lost the race,not Hawk Wing.
Kinane  had every chance to bring Hawk Wing to the front,where he likes best.He choose to sit back in the field,he then got boxed in and had to switch to a different position midfield.He again could not get a clear run,so again he switched to the outside of the field.It was then to late to do anything about HIS blunder.Dubai Destination was drawing clear at this late stage.If anyone has the tape watch it and you will see what I am talking about.
Now for all of those who might be thinking that I am a BAD LOSER,they are ALL RIGHT.
I do not mind if my horses lose,as long as I get a fair run for my money.This time I did not.I hate loseing because of a jockeys incompetance.I know well that M.J.Kinane is one of the top jockeys riding.He has Won on numerous occasions in the past,and he has made me an awfull lot of money.But that doe’s not take away from HIS defeat on Hawk Wing today.Every horse I back I expect at least a good run.The horse is only going by his rider.Left,Right,Forward,or in the case of Hawk Wings rider,Backwards.Discracefull judgement on Kinanes part.I am sure we will all read about his ride in Tomorrows papers.Anyway tomorrows another day.sorry about the long reply.I guess its in my blood.
Good Luck to ALL.
Winalot.
Hello Phil37.
Keep checking the results.
The Updated results are on another Post in the Systems Thread,under{ Last 3 Races Results }
I know that the system is not going to good at the moment.
This is very unusual,I have NEVER seen so many meetings go through the card without a winning Favorite.
Give it time it WILL come into the BLACK.
Phill37:Think about the Logic of this System.
Patience is what this System takes.
Good Luck.
(Edited by william winalot at 10:46 am on May 13, 2003)
Hello Freebird.
I am always amazed when someone has a sound selection method,and they say they can not build up from their selections.
Freebird.In previous posts,I have stated that anyone with a logical selection approach may never need to use more than their first initial stake.It is possible to start a selection or system with a very Small Bank,And build up that bank into something worthwhile.
For Example!
Say that you had a selection method that picked 3 horses in a race,anyone of the 3 horses that paid 9/4 or more,would make you a profit.That profit no matter how small would eventually build up your bank.After a period you would be betting with larger stakes,then you would see your bank increase substantially.The only person that would need a large Bank is someone that can not get enough winning selections to recoup their loses.
Freebird.Believe me when I say that you need only an initial Bank to start with.Study the form book,try different methods of selection,keep trying until you are satisfied with that method.Your selection method or system need not be complicated,as long as it works.<br>Stick with it,give it time to prove itself.<br>But the best advice I can give is,DON’T GET GREEDY.<br>That is the surest way to lose your Bank.Theres always another day,<<Please God.
P.S__See my reply above to Dave Jay.Re.EXAMPLE.
Again Thanks for your reply.
(Edited by william winalot at 7:26 pm on April 23, 2003)
Hello Freebird.
Everyone who bets the horses bets to a SYSTEM.<br>If that was not the case,then how would anyone choose the horses they bet on.There has to be some Method of selection.Even if you are backing newspaper tipsters,you are still backing to  a system.Even picking horses with a pin,is backing to a system,the Pin is the SYSTEM.Do you agree with this statement.
Freebird.You state that you have consistently made a profit over the last twenty years.That is great for you.You state that you only bet as a recreational punter.<br>Why have you not taken your method of selections,and become a full time investor.I have also been making a full time income over the past twenty years.Of course I started out small,but as I have always stated anyone with a consistent selection method,can build up from their selections to as much as they like.If you could guarantee that your selection method could make only £1.00 a Month,then you could make that £1.00 into any amount you choose.I am not saying that everyone agrees with me,that is their choice.But any logical approach to betting will eventually pay off in the long run.I could use a Pin to select my horses,and if that method consistently picked winners,then I would stick with that method,no matter what anyone said about my method of selection.
Freebird.Again thanks for your reply,that is what this forum SHOULD be all about.Everyones Ideas,Whether Good or Bad.
Good Luck in your ventures.
Hello Freebird.
Thanks for the reply.
You are right,it is the overall profit for the season that counts,not daily,weekly,monthly.I base all my selections by this criteria.To make racing pay,you must have a selection method that picks consistent winners,as against losers.Patience is the only way to win at this game.Noone can make a quick fortune in a short time.Someone MAY get lucky and win the Scoop Six,but if you look at how many punters do the Scoop Six and never come close to winning,then you can see how hard it is to pick winners.Even the professionals can’t do it.
So Freebird check ALL the Systems on this forum.Then choose the Systems that consistently show a profit at the END of the season.You won’y go wrong if you use this approach.
Good Luck.
CARL.
Over 100 Points or more.
It has been achieveing this quota for years.
Carl:This is your first reply to me,thank you.
But as I have said to others,Anyone can check the validity of the 3 races System if they can obtain past results.Try it on paper,you will be very surprised.
BUT:You must have patience.
Good Luck.
TTTRACING.
See Reply to Dave JAY.
Don’t Give Up TTT.
Just follow my 3 Races System and get back into the Black.
I think you need to get down off your high CHAIR.
May the Force be with you.
Dave Jay.
Not necessarly Dave.<br>It all depends on your selections.<br>If your selections are not consistent,then no bank will be able to sustain the loseing run.Let me give you an example of what I mean’t.
Any System with good selections.
Example:
Bank £2.00 TWO POUNDS.
1st Bet=£1.00 One Pound
1st Bet a Winner at 1/1<br>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^<br>Bank £3.00
2nd Bet a Winner at 6/4
Bank £4.50>>You have doubled your Bank.
3rd bet a Loser
Bank £3.50
4th Bet a Loser
Bank £2.50 Still Ahead.
5th Bet a Winner at 6/4
Bank £4.00
6th Bet a Winner at 6/4
Bank £5.50
And so on.
Even starting with a Bank of Just £2.00<br>If your selections are consistent then your Bank will increase.
It is possible that you may never need more than your First Bet.
In this small example you have nearly trebled your Bank.
Once you can select 50% Winners above 1/1 you will increase your bank.
Dave for you to make your £200.00 per week.<br>You would only need a Bank of £400.00 providing your selection method can produce 50% winners at 1/1 or more,or odds that are comparable to the amount you wish to achieve<br>The bigger the odds,the less winners you would need to make your £200.00.
I prefer short prices rather than go for longshots,but that is MY Way,I always like to bet when the percentages are in MY favor.
Dave.I am not a prude,I can take a Joke with the rest.When I reply to a post that is B****King me,I am B****King back,I am joking just like the rest,But maybe I go a little far with my replies,I’ve got to admit,some of my replys are not to bad.What do you think.
Thanks for the Compliment Dave.
Good Luck in all your adventures.
Good Breeding tells all.
TTTRACING.
In your reply if you are implying that I am a W**KER.<br>Then may I say that you  must be the best Master de Bater on this forum,since I never implied anything to you to give you that impression.The store that you Quote DFS,doe’s that stand for.Dumd Forumite S**THEAD.<br>Why do you bother getting yourself upset checking my results.Do you check because you think that you might be missing something,I think that you ARE Missing something.
TTT:You take the Chair that you quote.
I’ll STAND by my Results.
WIN A LOT…
(Edited by william winalot at 2:00 am on April 5, 2003)
DAVE JAY.
Yes I agree with you 100%.<br>I would NEVER follow any system blindly,that would be suicide in racing.Would you buy a car without first trying it out.
Dave you state that you have made a living from racing for the past 19 years,thats great,good luck to you,and may it continue for you.Your approach is to study the form book.That is also my approach,I have stated on this forum on numerous occasions,that the right approach to picking winners is based around,SPEED,WEIGHT,ClASS,These 3 criteria are all anyone needs to find the winners.BUt you can also make a very good living from racing if you use Logic in your calculations.My interpretation of logic is to go with the percentages,once they are in my favor,hence the 3 Races System.Logic tells me that the Fav SHOULD win one of the races at any given meeting,but this may not always be the case,hence the loseing meetings posted by me for the 3 Races System.But in the long run the 3 races will come around and make a profit.
Dave:This is one of the systems I use to make my living from racing.I know a lot of people on this forum would not believe it.They are basing the system on only a few weeks results,and also because the system is in the Red at the moment.There is a System { MY OWN } where the More you Lose the More you make.
As you state it takes a lot of work and study to win at racing>>Checking the Past Results,Maths,Logic.ETC:Time consuming
Now Dave as to how much of a BANK anyone needs to make a living is immaterial,any size BANK would do,it is your approach that will make you a living at this game.<br>Example:My 3 Races System on this forum is in the RED at the moment to the tune of £34.25 from a starting Bank of £210.00,therefore all I have staked since Feb 20 is £34.25 to £1.00 stakes.If the 3 Races System picks up from here,and starts making a profit,then all I ever needed from my Bank was the £34.25,the highest the system ever was out of profit.It is not the SIZE of the bank that counts,but your selections.If you were lucky enough to start any system,and the system was continually making a profit,then all you would ever need is you original first stake,since you would never have to use any of your bank.Do you get my point.
Dave: I know that you must work very hard to make racing pay.But you can make racing pay just by having a logical system,with the right approach.Hence the 3 races System that I use.It will make a good profit in time.But that is what a lot of punters don’t have.TIME.<br>Everyone wan’t to make a killing in one day.Yankees,Accumulators,trebles,ETC:They throw away money on these,when they could use the same money and build up there banks,into some worthwhile.
Hope I make sence to you.
Good Luck.
(Edited by william winalot at 7:26 pm on April 6, 2003)
TTTRACING.
I DON’T KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN BY,Sounds like a sales gimmick.
What sales gimmick,I do not charge fo anything I put up on this forum.Neither do I have any sites on the internet.I am not prepared to put  up the system I quote,The more you lose thev more you win.Until I’ve proven that the 3 Races System really doe’s work.I’ve gotten enough slaging off already,Just because the 3 Races System is in the Red.Some people on this seam to think that they can get Rich overnight from racing.It can’t be done.Some people might ask themselves,why do I bother with this forum in the first place.Heres why.
1:Because I like the competition.<br>2:I DO like to see if I can beat other forumites with my systems,and see who can make the biggest profit.<br>3:There is some really usefull information on this forum,I have tried other racing forums,and they come no where as good as this forum.<br>4:We are all on this forum for the same reason,namely because we love Horse Racing.<br>5:ETC:
TTT.I did’nt mean that you needed help with your systems,selections.What I mean’t was to help you to understand how the 3 Races System works.
Good Luck.<br>
tttracing.
See my post above yours..RE.I am not worried in the least,I can afford to wait.
What I was trying to do,was show forumites not to give up on the 3 Races System.Since they only know the 3 Races System for the past 5 weeks,not a very long time.But I know the results of the system for years.<br>The 3 Races system was well researched,I would not invest in anything if I thougfht I was going to lose money on it.If any fellow forumites think that the system is not logical.Then they can check it for themselves,as I have done.I have lots of back copies of the raceform annuals.They are great for checking any system,before you put down any money.You could also buy raceform update,a weekly racing magazine,with a pullout section for racing results.I would love someone to check the systems past results,then come back to the forum,and give their opinion.As I stated in my first post,A Bank of £700.00 would carry you for 100 Loseing meetings in a row.Do you think thats possible.If it is possible,then I am giving up racing forever.
Is this any help ttt.
P.S…ttt,Someday I will show forumites a System that the More you Lose,the More you make.
Hint.This system is based on the 3 Races System.
(Edited by william winalot at 10:19 am on April 3, 2003)
PHIL37 ** JAR.
I have never seen such bad results for this system.<br>The percentages are going haywire.<br>It seems to be 1 step forward 2 steps back at the moment.I know that the system will eventually come into profit,but at the moment it is very frustrating knowing that the system should be winning,and it is not.<br>As I stated before,the system doe’s not depend on any specific horse being Favorite,but on the meeting.Generally speaking,the favorite should win at least one race out of six.This is not happening.The time of year doe’s not come into account.Because the system doe’s not depend on any given criteria< Form,Speed,Class,ETC.But relies only on each meetings percentages.I am only writing this for the benefit of those that might be weary of the systems results so far.<br>I am myself not worried in the least,because I know the systems past record.I can afford to wait for the system to come around,mainly because I make large bets.<br>Anyone can start with a small bank to run this system,and build up from that bank.
Hope this clears everything up.
Don’t abandon the system,you will be sorry.
P.S…Always use two or three good systems,that way if one system is on a loseing run,the others will make up for any loses,and keep your bank up.
Good Luck.
TTTRACING.
Very bad results,don’t know why the meetings are not producing favorite winning races.It goe’s against all the percentages,the fav not winning any races at these meetings.
Not to worry,it will eventually pick up.Trust me.
In all probabilities the system will come into profit,thereby recouping all loses.
Since Feb 20,2003
6 Winning Meetings<br>8 Loseing Meetings.<<<<<<<<<<br>14 Meetings Total<br>                 ^^^^^^^^<br>Watch out for the Loseing meetings next time.
tttracing,do you see what I am pointing to.<br>Read between the lines.
As I said,It is up to the person to use the system their own way.
If I put to much about this system on this forum,I will probably be shot down,it has been done before.
tttracing.You are one of the few that takes the racing game seriously.You do not judge a system as bad,just because it is in the RED.I think by your replys that you can see a good thing.Always pull any system apart,to see how it performs.There a some very good systems and tipsters on this forum.But you have to seek them out.I like a joke as well as everyone else,but not after only a few weeks puting my selections on the forum,and the selections fail to show a profit,and they all come at me,as useless.On Feb 20,2004 one year after I first posted the 3 Races system,and my selections on the forum,then if they are both showing a loss,I would expect to get a B****king,fair enough.
P.S.My selections in the Betting Tips forum,had at least one winner every day.There is another method you could work on.Get the message.
Give it TIME.
