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  • in reply to: Violence and Thuggery on racecourses #1313903
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    Hi Simon

    Interesting article.

    I’m all for racing to do what it needs to do to make the sport more popular with the younger crowd but as you say, there needs to be some sort of security in place.

    Sadly, it seems that the same younger crowd needs to imbibe as much alcohol as possible to have a good time. I remember a few years ago that a friend’d wife went to Ascot for the day and it commenced with champagne being drunk in the hired limo en route to the course.

    Let’s hope that the authorities can do something to stamp it out.

    Chris

    in reply to: New to racing – learning how to study form help? #1313900
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    How long did it take you to learn to read races? I know you’ll still bel earning to some extent (we all are) but I’m particularly interested in how you progressed in understanding which horses travelled well, which looked under pressure, which were keen, how their action was on different ground etc.

    Mainly I’m trying to grasp how long it would take a newcomer to read a race when the obvious visual clues are not there. By this I mean that an experienced race-reader would know a horse that is under pressure before the jockey resorted to vigorous action. The reader would also spot when a horse is travelling well even though to the less experienced eye it appeared to be going no differently to many of its rivals. Again, a horse who is obviously keen but its enthusiasm is being disguised perhaps by a jockey with particularly good hands or by the fact that it hasn’t yet began pulling but is definitely the type.

    Hi Joe

    Good to hear from you as well.

    In terms of the race reading I do when applied to trading, it’s two-fold:

    For any trading before the off, I simply trade the numbers on the screen.

    For any in running trading i.e. when the race is taking place, I’ve given up using live pictures – case in point the delay on the Betfair Live video earlier was 30 seconds and on a 6f race, the race is over halfway through before the pictures so it’s started. So, again, I tend to look at the money coming in i.e. if lots of backing money appears than I know the horse is travelling well.

    I should stress that I’m still very much a novice.

    THat all being said, what I’ve found really helpful is to read the ProForm race guides that give an indication of how the race may be run i.e. X horse is a front runner, Y horse is prominent and Z is held up.

    I then go over to the Racing Post and look at the notes from previous runs and then watch replays of the race so I can match those notes to what I’m seeing on screen ie:

    “Led for 3f, travelled well, pulled up 3f out”

    What I am finding is that when I watch the Racing on ITV or At The Races on my television, I can sometimes see when a horse is out of stamina but again, I reckon I need to watch another 10,000 races before I consider myself an expert.

    It’s interesting you talk about race reading as nowadays a lot of in running traders will actually trade from the course due to the 2 – 3 second advantage they have over ‘live’ pictures. But I read a post by an experienced racing trader (and racing fan) who said that it’s amazing how many of these guys at the track have no idea of how to read a race i.e. the horse comes under pressure and they lay it immediately only to keel over as the horse goes on to win :wacko:

    I think the highlight for me so far was watching Arrowgate winning the Dubai World Cup – a sensational ride.

    Best wishes,

    Chris

    in reply to: New to racing – learning how to study form help? #1313832
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    I wasn’t on here when you first posted but had I been, the advice would have been to spend a lot of time studying form and above all, have a really good memory

    Hi Kingbenitch,

    Sadly, my memory is as about as useful as a chocolate teapot so I store everything in excel and back it up.

    As you rightly say, studying form is the key.

    One of the books I purchased was Enemy Number One by Patrick Veitch – love him or hate him, you can’t argue he is not a grafter and testament to that is the 16 hour days he does.

    in reply to: New to racing – learning how to study form help? #1313809
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    I thought it might be nice to bump this thread.

    It’s just under a year since I joined these forums and I would like to share my journey with you.

    My first post was about asking how to study form and since that post, I’m proud to say that I’ve become more interested in racing.

    Whilst my main focus has been on trading the horse racing markets on Betfair, I’ve become a bit of a racing geek in that I spend A LOT of my spare time watching replays and seeing how the running compares to the previews in the ProForm Daily guides.

    I don’t visit these forums as often as I should, but I wanted to say thank you for the users who post here – even in 2017, I hope I am proof that racing can still attract newcomers to the sport.

    Urbanhermit

    in reply to: New to racing – learning how to study form help? #1262317
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    Hello again.

    I just wanted to thank everyone for taking the time to respond.

    The replies are both really helpful and informative.

    Thank you.

    in reply to: New to racing – learning how to study form help? #1262130
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    Hi Joe

    Thanks for taking the time to respond to my message and also, for posting that link – very helpful.

    I’m 41 and no very little about horses. I’ve become interested in finding out more about racing due to starting to trade on Betair.

    Cheers,

    Chris

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