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The BBC is the root of so many wrongs in this country, I don’t watch tv, don’t need a license. Wouldn’t pay a penny to those parasites
Be thankful for the BBC, without them every TV network would be owned by a corporate conglomerate with its own obvious bias. Murdoch has been trying to start up Fox News UK, so beware.
A rather specious view that needs correction:
The BBC is also corporation; it so happens that it is a state corporation paid for by the public on pain of legal action. You have no choice in the matter whereas with Murdoch you just take your choice. The BBC long ago abandoned any pretence of being disinterested/unbiased in matters of politics and culture and the crypto-Marxists* and left-liberals who dominate its management structure have pushed the Left’s orthodoxy in more or less all programmes. They have publicly admitted it. They will be stirring up the whip furore until the grand national. This is partly the corporations default sympathy with minority politics (in this case animal rights fascists) and partly from a wider distrust and dislike of ‘the sport of kings’ ie the Queen likes it so it must be ‘elitist’ and ‘tory’ and so on.
*So called by none other than Jeremy Paxman
You did well!
I didn’t spot any of that. Good call.
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Hurricane Fly – whatever he runs in . . .Racing forum is policed by ginger tipster and a few others who will jump on the questioning, the doubters who dare draw attention to the rotteness in racing. Make no mistake about it, racing is corrupt to the core.
What "rotteness"? What "Corrupt"ion.
Nobody is saying the game is 100% straight Woolf, but "corrupt to the core"
? If it was, then how come myself and many others make an over all profit purely by studying form (no inside info)?If you think the game is corrupt, prove it. Explain yourself, if you can Woolf.
Or is it that when some punters can’t make a profit the game must be bent. They have to blame someone else for their own inadequacies?
I’m no policeman, just someone who doesn’t like forumites maligning others. Particularly people outside the forum who can’t defend themselves.
I’ve criticised some racing people myself on here, who I regard as either corrupt or have done corrupt things, and had other forumites leap to his/their defence. I got in to a heated discussion with Bosranic about one individual. That’s fair enough and only to be expected. It’s a discussion forum Woolf, get over it.
I agree with Ginge. I have no inside info, I mainly just study the form in the Post and maybe follow up some line of inquiry onthe sporting life archive, yet I make a profit. In my opinion, the thing to remember if you want to make momey at it, is to STAY OUT OF THE RUBBISH. It is in the rubbish that the bentness and the artfulness mainly lies. The further up you go the more straight it is in my opinion. Never bet in a race worth less than five or six grand to the winner and you’ll soon find form is worth something. If you never have another bet on the all-weather you won’t regret it, I promise you.
Ginge, I don’t put lots of negative stuff on here. The other week I wrote a paean to the sport which would have outdone Alistair Down!
I’m in profit back to last August, I’ve had a good jumps season as I usually do. I hope next week will be the cherry on the cake. I’m clearly not someone moaning because they are basically a hopeless punter.
But I will make criticisms. Heavily moderated forums – like this one – have a habit of becoming sterile because of a few control freaks who wish to steer the debates in one direction only. As I say, on here there is a sort of robotic objectivism, any dissent is regarded not as a legitimate part of debate but as bad behaviour. This is ridiculous and unacceptable, but perhaps inevitable given the amount of trainspotterish obsessives the sport attracts.only raced on v soft
What form book do you get prof?
in the racing post’s form it looked to me like balgarry was a v soft ground fan.
only raced on v soft
What form book do you get prof?
in the racing post’s form it looked to me like balgarry was a v soft ground fan.
To some extent theoretically I agree with the senitiment of the title …though wouldn’t use the words total garbabge..perhaps Bookmakers paradise?!?!
However after my best selecting day of the year and perhaps ever (6 horses with 5 winners and a seond) where I got last 3 televised winners from Newbury then tonight I’m buzzing and dead chuffed that the races were handicaps.
However I’m sure mid summer Saturday when there are 6 televised handicaps on C4 from Newmarket and York each with 12 -20 runners and I don’t even get a sniff of a place then if there was an article like this about that then I’d be supporting it as most of the time do find my success rate in Graded races far higher…though interestingly although my RoI is better its not as much better as I would have naturally thought.
Guess that last point links into comments made about prices by Gingertipster.
GT – Thanks as had not looked back on my records that closely until todays successes and reading your comments on this thread
yorkiedips
Out of curiousity, what made you confident about Aerial? I discounted him because we were told the chase course was Good and Aerial’s form wasn’t much good on, er, Good.
To some extent theoretically I agree with the senitiment of the title …though wouldn’t use the words total garbabge..perhaps Bookmakers paradise?!?!
However after my best selecting day of the year and perhaps ever (6 horses with 5 winners and a seond) where I got last 3 televised winners from Newbury then tonight I’m buzzing and dead chuffed that the races were handicaps.
However I’m sure mid summer Saturday when there are 6 televised handicaps on C4 from Newmarket and York each with 12 -20 runners and I don’t even get a sniff of a place then if there was an article like this about that then I’d be supporting it as most of the time do find my success rate in Graded races far higher…though interestingly although my RoI is better its not as much better as I would have naturally thought.
Guess that last point links into comments made about prices by Gingertipster.
GT – Thanks as had not looked back on my records that closely until todays successes and reading your comments on this thread
yorkiedips
Out of curiousity, what made you confident about Aerial? I discounted him because we were told the chase course was Good and Aerial’s form wasn’t much good on, er, Good.
To some extent theoretically I agree with the senitiment of the title …though wouldn’t use the words total garbabge..perhaps Bookmakers paradise?!?!
However after my best selecting day of the year and perhaps ever (6 horses with 5 winners and a seond) where I got last 3 televised winners from Newbury then tonight I’m buzzing and dead chuffed that the races were handicaps.
However I’m sure mid summer Saturday when there are 6 televised handicaps on C4 from Newmarket and York each with 12 -20 runners and I don’t even get a sniff of a place then if there was an article like this about that then I’d be supporting it as most of the time do find my success rate in Graded races far higher…though interestingly although my RoI is better its not as much better as I would have naturally thought.
Guess that last point links into comments made about prices by Gingertipster.
GT – Thanks as had not looked back on my records that closely until todays successes and reading your comments on this thread
yorkiedips
Well done, I’m delighted for you, but backing a favourite, a strong fancy and a mystery horse only raced on v soft is not really a punting triumph in wider terms. Of course, and I say this completely straight, if YOU feel you have triumphed that is the main thing in this game.
Yesterday was a good warning to me: I was +69 to a pound stake since Jan 1 (average bet £50 e/w) and getting a bit cocky.Stilvi,
didn’t you know? Nobody is allowed to be critical on here. There’s a little clique of people who won’t have a word said against anything involving the Turf and also anyone critical of the whip ban.
Never express surprise or dismay about a winner; even if it’s been off the track since Tony Blair was prime minister. A certain egotistical Irish bettor will be on your back immediately.
Maybe you were right about Newbury today, and for that matter Donny: I’ve had the worst afternoon’s punting this year. Put two good prices in the frame but got hammered elsewhere. What exactly was the going? I should have stayed in bed anyway.
If you raise ANY questions about any race on here it’s always ‘pocket talk’, as if this was really an answer for everything.
It took me a few days to be aware of the clique but you probably get that on all forums. There are certain people who attempt to set themselves up on a pedestal and indulge in the childish my post is better than your post behaviour. If you have faith in what you are posting then it is best just to ignore them. Yes, I take exception to the liberal use of the term ‘pocket talk’ as if it somehow negates a valid point.
To an extent it is the nature of the sport that makes it like this, or rather the nature of the punters: go in any betting shop and you will find a clique of middle-aged men who think they know absolutely everything about the Turf. So with this forum.
As we see from Gingertipster’s post, the rule is: I’m allowed to indulge in pocket talk because I know what I’m on about.Stilvi,
didn’t you know? Nobody is allowed to be critical on here. There’s a little clique of people who won’t have a word said against anything involving the Turf and also anyone critical of the whip ban.
Never express surprise or dismay about a winner; even if it’s been off the track since Tony Blair was prime minister. A certain egotistical Irish bettor will be on your back immediately.
Maybe you were right about Newbury today, and for that matter Donny: I’ve had the worst afternoon’s punting this year. Put two good prices in the frame but got hammered elsewhere. What exactly was the going? I should have stayed in bed anyway.
If you raise ANY questions about any race on here it’s always ‘pocket talk’, as if this was really an answer for everything.
When you read all this lazy crap in the media about how footballers are ‘heroes’ it just makes me want to puke. JUMP JOCKEYS, now
there’s
heroes.
Prof,
Interesting to learn more about you. I have been studying journalism online, intermittently, over 5 years and I still haven’t passed Central or Local Gvnt. So, for the moment your powers are greater than mine.
However…
….I don’t think switching off the FOBTs results in Britain slowly becoming North Korea.I’m all for liberties and choice but a society does need some laws and protections. No, not shadowy, ostensible protection to keep the masses in their place…but reasonable one’s that make a society more bearable and humane.
I don’t think any political party has quite got the right balance since the beginning of time. Doesn’t mean it won’t happen!
I’m happy to go along with the belief that there are degrees of addictions. Plainly, some addictions are more dangerous than others and not lent to being moderate, manageable addictions. I probably am addicted to chocolate, I eat it almost every day, but it’s not ripping my life apart (my belt, maybe). Now if I started getting more heavily involved with FOBTs I have no doubt that could destroy my life quickly. Like cocaine or any other hardcore drug.
I choose not to partake to that degree, but I’m not that far away at times…so am I vulnerable or an idiot? Maybe I’m both.
What gamblers don’t need is something that can turn them into addicts so mercilessly. It’s just about greed, and isn’t that one of the biggest problems facing this earth?
I honestly don’t expect to win if I play the roulette or slots, I have very low expectations. It’s an expensive entertainment and I know it is dangerous…maybe that is the attraction, being near the edge, but I don’t honestly think so.
Should we ban cigarettes? Hmmm, I don’t think so. I don’t see any benefit from them but it is a choice. I see your point that they are destructive, but I also think the health risks are made very clear and someone who tries a cigarette is less likely to end up being destroyed than if they try the FOBT. That is my honest opinion, not backed up by any data, just opinion.
Perhaps if the regulation on the FOBTs was upgraded and there were large stickers saying "this machine is highly addictive and may lead to serious health and social problems" – that would be a positive step. At least people would be more informed.
As for your children, it sounds like you wouldn’t ostracise them or treat them with contempt if they were addicted to fruities/FOBTs. Personally, I think any addicted person should be afforded the same understanding that we offer those closest to us.
I read somewhere that being a journo is so stressful it has the highest suicide rate of all professions. Is that a myth?
Zip
You are Tony Blair and I claim the Daily Messenger prize.
Ever thought about the profits the breweries and distilleries make from selling alcohol? That ruins lives and kills people. It also gives inordinate pleasure to millions. Do you want to ban that?
Do you want to ban junk food, it makes vast profits and is having a toxic effect on certain sections of society.
We all need to stop being so hysterical.
There are risks to freedom.
these machines – glorified fruit machines cleverly placed in an acceptable and expected betting environment are actually the antithesis of true bookmaking – yours to mine – and they should all be thoroughly ashamed of themselves
No ****, sherlock.
But they just join a long list of untter shamelessness in our society. As I said to zippy, if you rank things in order of the danger thy pose, why not ban cigarettes right now? They kill people every day.
Ginger wrote:
What the xxxx do "somali benifit cheats" have to do with FOBT addicted users? Again, it doesn’t seem like "empathy or sympathy to me.
You may not live in London, ginge, so you may not realise that in the past 10 years the Labour Party thought it a splendid idea to encourage about seven million migrants into the country, many in London (while simultaneously pushing the country to the brink of bankruptcy). A certain of migrant gets straight in the benefit system and spends an inordinate amount of time thumping FOBTs in betting shops. I see this every day. It is beyond dispute, even by you pink and fluffies who think I am terrible for pointing out that slot machine addicts are sad fools.
These are sins/vices that come into all areas of life. If you can’t be trusted to walk past a FOBT without pumping your whole life’s savings into them then you
can’t be trusted to do anything.
The
jerk
crying his eyes out because he’s lost loads of money in a FOBT is really crying because he’s realised he’s an idiot without a shred of self-control and that is a very frightening and sad thing. That however much you big-hearted addicted-to-cant (yes cant, gingertipster, look it up in a dictionary) guys want it not to be so is
his
problem. If it hadn’t been FOBT it would have been something else.
You say I’m cold hearted, primarily because it makesyou feel and look good
. But
I’m extremely empathetic
. I have suffered through my addictions at times but the suffering has led to
wisdom
. William Blake: The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom.
As for the milk of human kindness comment: As I say,
I am empathatic and sympathetic to the plight of the destructively addicted
(as opposed to the happily addicted. Look at gingertipster. He thinks he’s mr sense and control when it comes to gambling, but I would suggest he’s happily addicted to a minor vice that is mainly giving him pleasure. This analysis will be deemed wrong because there’s old one man in the world who can be right and that’s ol’ ginge. Broth of a boy!)
but I know that the only way these people can lift themselves from their misery is by taking control of themselves
and stop believing the addiction industry’s specious whining. They have become addicted to a con. They must look at that fact very closely.
Would you group a working man who says he is addicted, though in a non-destructive way, to good wine, poker, or buying expensive watches, would you group this man with someone addicted to sniffing glue or standing in Ladbrokes for five hours with a load of
somali benefit cheats
playing FOBTs? No, course you wouldn’t.
I would not say calling people "jerk" and "idiot" show any sign of being "empathetic and sympathetic to the destructively addicted" Prof. Am sure calling these people such names won’t help them snap out of their desperation. Just describing yourself "extremely empathetic and smpathetic" doesn’t wash with me Prof, it’s got to be shown in your words. Hopefully will see some evidence of it in future.
Of course the only way they can "lift themselves out of their misery is by taking control", we agree on that. As I said earlier, they should be encouraged and helped
if
they recognise their problems and want to "take control". What is wrong with that? I say "IF" because if they don’t want any help, then there’s no point in helping.
What the xxxx do "somali benifit cheats" have to do with FOBT addicted users?
Again, it doesn’t seem like "empathy or sympathy to me.I would not describe your words as "wisdom" Prof.
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‘Course you wouldn’t, ginger, because you’re addicted to playing the homespun omniscient elder!
I have explained my view of addiction in my reply to get getzippy. Basically, everyone’s addicted to something and addiction is not by any means the road to hell it is claimed to be by the addictions industry. You two take a very doctrinaire view of it.
I understand your point about gambling on horse. I myself have a love of the Turf and never punt on anything bar the odd game of roulette. This in itself is instructive: Roulette is a game of chance where every runner (bar the sides) is marked up at the same price. Racing has a far greater degree of probability, a sport with a gambling section shall we say.
To become addicted to roulette is a rather silly thing to do; to become preoccupied with finding winners is a rather logical thing to do.
When you watch gambling addicts bet on horses in betting shops, this is the set-up. Man with about 40 betting slips, which he keeps riffling through and examining, paces around in the minutes before a race goes off. He doesn’t trouble the form much, he just watches the prices. Why, one asks, is he doing all this NOW? About three seconds before the off he scribbles down £100 on the second favourite because a jockey who once did him a favour is on it.
Horse sometimes wins, more often loses and said man throws his slip at the screen and swears and curses as the 14/1 winner you backed at 10am wins going away.
I’ve had periods of addicted, mug-punter behaviour like that, long ago. What got me out of it was the realisation that a) I could win consistently because I didn’t really undertand what the hell was going on and b) I refused to work at it to find out. I used to look at the form in the racing post and think: can’t be arsed.
When my attitude changed I stopped losing lots of money, won a lot more but above all started toenjoy
the game in a way I had never done before. This was a process of learning and maturation.
The FOBTs are something that fools must graduate from in my opinion. On balance I am against banning them because I feel that the only way civilisation can continue is if people are allowed to make choices and not have choices made for them.
