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"since it’s the first time you have ever addressed me on this forum and I know you are a mate of Seagull..or him.. then I assume you will only ever respond in a negative way towards me "
EC i am a mate of Seagulls but we live hundred of miles apart, so i am not him, but i can’t understand why you think i would be negative towards you because we are friends, i only entered into the debate like everyone else has.
Seagull has never mentioned you to me and i didn’t realise you knew him, but i can honestly say that i was just putting my point of view over and that was it.
I am sorry if you are reading something else into it, because that certainly isn’t the case, and i certainly won’t be policing you as you put it to give negative points to your posts.
If i agree with with any posts you make then i will have no hesitation in backing up your point, i really don’t understand why you think i would be negative towards you because i am friends with Seagull though, and he hasn’t posted in this thread.
If you want to PM me i will be happy to discuss why you would think this.
"by the way..YOU don’t police me phunter"
I don’t remember saying i did, you have different views to others thats fine by me, why would i want to police you anyway.
So it’s ok to have one view but not another EC, well as long as the view is the same as yours of course.
Regards the don’t eat meat Steve, as i said before on the thread archive you spoke about, how many animal rights supporters don’t use daily medicines and vaccinations because they are tested on animals.
I don’t believe for a minute that none of them don’t use them, isn’t that being hypocritical.
You don’t eat meat that is up to you, i do eat meat and i really don’t mind if the hunts aren’t banned or not, i used to go out rabbiting as a kid with my grandfather, no doubt some would see that as barbaric, but when it ended up in the pot , it was one of the best meals you could ask for on a cold winters day.
An excellent Q&A session , many thanks James for your time and the answers were very refreshing to read.
I suppose many come from showjumping circles that go onto become jockeys like John Francome, which should help in the long run as well.
I see Land Rover have dropped their sponsorship from point to pointing as well and i wonder how this will affect that part of racing.
I know we have the racing colleges or schools, but does anyone know if racing has folk going round schools actively encouraging youngsters to come into racing, you get it with all trades why not racing.
Regards where the jockeys come through from, perhaps then someone from on high should be making sure that young men and women still want to become NH jockeys without needing to come through hunting ranks.
We still see plenty young jockeys from Scotland trying to make the grade even although hunting has been banned up here.
I know a few folk who will agree with you regards the betting with it, i might just have to pick their brains. :)
It’s nothing more than rounders Zorro, i was taken to see Warwickshire many moons ago by my uncle, i have never forgiven him for it yet, it sent me to sleep.
It just doesn’t seem to have the same interest up here in Scotty land. ;)
"and I suspect it’s scant consolation to the cow, that her genetic purpose is to be an entree, and that she will have a swift death as means of compensation"
I take it you know one of my ex – girlfriends too. :biggrin:
My originial point on the thread was i thought that the jockeys shouldn’t have been walking up the racecourse with banners, if they wanted to go on protests with the alliance at Westminster then fair play to them that is their right.
But racing IMO is putting it’s jacket on a shoogly peg by letting them do this, folk who perhaps don’t take such a big interest in racing might think that both go hand in hand.
As i have said before i don’t want to see a ban purely down to the fact i don’t go hunting, but if the law say’s they can’t well then they have to abide that.
The minority as i also said before gave us the Poll Tax, especially up here in Scotland first as it was used as a trial session, i certainly didn’t agree with it along with the fact that only Scotland was paying it at first, but it was law and i paid it because of that, it was eitehr that or not pay and face going to prison, hardly the best thing to show my kids, if it is law then that is it, you just vote differently next time and encourage your MP to get it changed again.
I’ll tell you what let’s just all give up eating meat and listen to Cliff Richard for the rest of our days.:biggrin:
It is on a racing forum because Jockeys walked up the straight at Beverley today with banners supporting the alliance, although it has went off tandem a bit.
Regards classes and hunting, i’m sure i wasn’t the only one who used to go out with their dad , uncle or grandad when we were young to go hunting for rabbits for the potted hough.
I used to be taken along with many friends of mine when we were growing up to go fishing and our elders taking the jack russels and fox terriers to catch rabbits, hunting wasn’t just for the toffs, hunting covers many things not just fox hunting.
I would personally make them sit in a room with Maggie and Tony for 2 hours , i’m sure their outlook on life would be different when they walked out.
There won’t be a government around who make decisions everyone likes, i didn’t like the poll tax but it was law and i paid it like most folk, so if this is passed folk will have to accept it whether they like it or not, they are getting far with Hunting and the Smoking ban, i wonder what will be next.
There will definetly be something or the professional protestors won’t have bugger all to do, i reckon it could be combing your hair to the left hand side, what do you think. :biggrin:
Do animal rights folk take medicines and drugs that are tested on animals.
Say you have campaigned for years about animal rights and you then find out your child has a serious illness which can be treated by drugs which have been tested on animals , do they refuse the drugs or do they take them for their child, it’s a bit like your comment about eating meat stevedvg, if they want to talk about animal rights surely they won’t use drugs or medicines.
I don’t have any problems with folk protesting, i just don’t think the racecourse is the place for it.
I have been on beats many times but never on a hunt, i personally wouldn’t ban it, but then it is Smoking they are onto now so i’m sure something else will come along as well.
An interesting point i got from my bruv in law who is now a gamekeeper is that he won’t go on any protests for 1 reason, 20 years ago he worked in the pits and in his words not mine, the same folk who keep asking him to protest now were the very same folk who despised the miners when they went on strike, at the time it was Tory voters who were happy to see Maggie Thatcher crush them, now it is on the other boot and Tony Blair and Labour are getting it in the neck.
My view on it is the miners were right to protest back then as are the Countryside Alliance are now, the only thing is folk have long memories especially in Scotland where pits shut down left right and centre, the area i live is in the country with many mining villages all around, but if the Alliance think folk in this part of the country will back them up they will be sadly mistaken.
The situations are no different, but perhaps some of the Alliance supporters should remember they were happy enough for the miners to brought to their knees. :)
