hi im andy first i like to say that i have bk carlton house to win the derby frankel wont stay the trip carlton house will have a run out over the next couple of weeks will keep u posted on this and secondly darren there is a horse running in next years derby 2000 guiness from the john oxx stable and johnny murtary is up to riding it .labrokes and corals have got it up at 66/1 derby guiness and 200 double corals go 50/1 and 150/1 double he is out of sea the stars and gallilao they were to derby winners the name of the horse is born to sea i have 180 quid on it so far loads more to go on it by the way i had 250 on workforce for the derby just after he won at goodwood won over 5000 good luck my friends andy