[Charlie D]

If you always wait for every doubt to be removed from a horse, you would probably never believe anything!

I’m never certain when it comes to horses TDK as i think an accurate measure of performance/ability has not been found yet and you can only estimate ability/performance

Maybe will time will prove me wrong, but I was definitely convinced by what I saw and Mordin’s argument hasn’t altered that view.

I estimated i saw a 180 horse TDK and hopefully his next run will go some way to confirming this to me and also Mordin wrong, though i do take on board what the he is stating in his article

[Charlie D]

Why were they knackered and strung out like washing? does this not seem strange to you TDK

Strange indeed. It isnt every day you see a horse pulverise a field like that. That is kinda the point?

It is’nt TDK, and that is my point too

Are we not wise to treat such a improved performance with a bit of caution until the horse proves to us that this performance was worth the merit we awarded and there was no reason to doubt it?

And thanks for the respectful reply to my question, it is appreciated

[Charlie D]

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Utter rubbish. What do you mean by "correct"? Did he cheat or something?

Clive, if you want to treat my opinion in such a way i’m not gonna even discuss this with you

Let the horses do the talking

[Charlie D]

A slow gallop usually favours prominent horses and usually results in a bunch finish doesn’t it?

Why were they knackered and strung out like washing? does this not seem strange to you TDK

Though i’m not sure what, i think Mordin may have identified something i’ve missed, reading his article and thinking about it, it has placed a bit of doubt in my mind tbh

[Charlie D]

Clive

Denman has ONE massive performance to his name and that is all, the rest of his form is below the Listeners

You, i, Mordin, reet will not know if that massive performance is correct until Denman either repeats it or runs close to it in his forthcoming races no matter what analysis method we use

[Charlie D]

Clive

The Listener is a proven 170 plus horse imo when he has his conditions, his exploits in Ireland last year and this show this

Denman has one massive performance to his name thats says he’s better than the above and the GC candidates, but the rest of his runs are below that of the proven animal above and those other GC candidates, so we need Denman to confirm what we believe

Mordin is just questioning this superiority using sectional analysis, is there anything wrong with that? no imo.

Just like there nothing wrong with reet or anyone else questioning this superiority using their selected method

[Charlie D]

I think you find he has run more than once Charlie D…

Yes he has tdk, but i think we need that performance to be backed up with a similar performance from Denman next time

[Charlie D]

Judging the merit of the horse based on the time of one ridiculusly easy win. Typical Mordin nonsense.

Is it any more ridiculous than claiming him a superstar after just one run TDK?

I think we need confirmation and if all goes well, his next run should give us a more accurate assessment

[Charlie D]

Hennessey performance looks right on paper to me, but i think next run is needed to confirm Denman is a 180+ horse and the Lexus is watching brief

[Charlie D]

So is my " not sure tbh" comment reet

[Charlie D]

and i’m not sure RH tbh, but thought it worth a TRF link,

[Charlie D]

It’s an interesting article Clivex and i thought to myself when i read it.

If you go slow early, you have saved energy and therefore you should have energy in reserve for an effort later on – the opposition were struggling a decent way out and made to look very inferior by the winner if i remember correctly

It’s a strange one imo

[Charlie D]

Mr Rowlands take on Tingle Creek and more

http://betting.betfair.com/horse-racing … ng-tw.html[/url]

[Charlie D]

Does anyone know what Timeform rated his King George? Was it 132?

Dunno which race he was awarded rating ( i presume it was KG) but he had an adjusted rating of 141 for the Arc

[Charlie D]

He can’t be far behind High Chaparral and Galileo in middle distance department

Think The Rock was best one overall though

[Charlie D]

I get the last 5 Tingle Creek winning performance as follows

2003 – Moscow Flyer 173
2004 – Moscow Flyer 175
2005 – Kauto Star 161
2006 – Kauto Star 174
2007 – Twist Magic 162

If Twist Magic’s performance is anywhere near as good as MF’s two i’ll eat my Xmas party hat

[Charlie D]

Timeform have taken a dim view of the Tingle Creek. Don’t think they’d thank me for giving specifics on a public board but knocking 10 off the RPRs of the principals wouldn’t be far off the mark.

Read Weekend View on website and got feeling the boys at Timeform Towers were not that impressed

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