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They will probably remain that way though Anthony, just be cautious.
Unless they run massively first up, they may drift.
I guess that’s the risk you have to take.
Sad news though – Gloria De Campeao won’t be seen down here, has been retired immediately after a tendon injury overnight.
Interesting replay. They appear about five lengths off Jaguar Mail though.
Don’t know what you guys think, but I can’t remember a time when there has been so many chances for the cups coming from all directions. I’ve attempted to make a shortlist of those I want to get early odds on, however my list is still up around 50! I don’t know where to look.
With so many internationals coming out, not to mention all the expats (Williams and Freedman) there’s probably only about 12 spots in the 24 for the locals in the big one. It’s going to be hard enough getting a run in the lead up races.
By the way it would be a good idea to dismiss Lord’s Ransoms last campaign in Melbourne with Peter Morgan. The horse wasn’t right, and I don’t think Peter quite knew what to do with him. Those Wilde lads will figure him out. The horse is a gun
P.S – Not sure about More Joyous, she just has that look about her. Win a couple lead ups then unfortunately go amiss. She’s worth too much in the breeding barn to push her too far
You are fitting in perfectly here Anthony…the more the merrier!
I agree – I’m thinking, including exports, there may be even less than 12.
Lloyd seems to have three main exports on the Cups trail – Alandi, Mourayan and Grand Ducal.
Freedman has Speed Gifted, Above Average, Fanjura and Ajhar. He may have Doctor Fremantle going that way too, while Savarain is injured and won’t be seen.
And there are others too – Noonan has Buccellati, Waller has some (although none are likely to get to the Melbourne Cup).
The local horses are going to have to be good to get in to the field.
Look, every way I look at the race – it is going to be a fantastic Melbourne Cup. No way it can’t be, especially if the Japanese get down.
Leigh Jordon told me a few weeks ago that he was expecting between four and eight horses from Europe – that was when the Japanese were unlikely. With three, or possibly four, Japanese, that takes the international count POSSIBLY to 12, although it may be less.
It means possibly that only the classy horses will get a start, it will be difficult for horses who aren’t classy to get a start.
I guess that’s a good thing though – hopefully some horses that would never have even considered a run in the race may run – I’m thinking specifically Whobegotyou, although I doubt he’d win.
I’d love to see So You Think in there, but realistically he needs to run top 3 in the Cox Plate to qualify.
I still like Monaco Consul.
The original source I read said Ebor, but the Lonsdale makes more sense.
So perhaps we’ll see Americain amongst the nominations then?
Hi Anthony, how are you going? Great to have you here.
Something’s wrong with that website Gerald.
Lords Ransom was originally with Durrant, then went across to Morgan for a couple of starts, then returned to Durrant.
However owner Bob Peters took all his horses off Durrant in March or April.
Racing Victoria is the accurate one, as it takes the info straight from RISA.
Bill and Symon Wilde now train him – they train Baughurst.
That’s interesting re: Crime Scene! He’s definitely not with Snowden though…
And the trainer definitely mentioned it, the quote I have is something along the lines of Melbourne looks a logical target after either the Doncaster Cup or Ebor Handicap.
Hey guys, sorry for joining in so late, love your work. Just wondering if ‘Ma Chienne’ should be on your list. Runner up in the Perth Cup to Lord’s Ransom, absolutly flying at the end and probably should have won. I think you’ll find she’ll be nominated come Monday.
Also I reckon there’s a potential Cup horse running in Adelaide on saturday. ‘Hastein’ trained by Mark Kavanagh. By Viking Ruler out of a Zabeel mare. Place 7 of it’s 8 starts including a last start 10 length win over 1950m. It’s only 1200m on Saturday, but should be running on first up. I reckon he’ll be in the noms released on Monday.
Again, love your work
Hey ARachelle, do you know anyone who is with Ma Chienne?
I’d be interested on doing an article on her – I know Lords Ransom is now with the Wildes at Warrnambool and I believe he’ll be nominated too.
And Hastein is an interesting one, I backed him a few times and he just couldn’t win. But it wouldn’t surprise me if the penny has dropped.
There is no doubt in my mind that she’ll stay the trip.
Am I guessing we won’t see Tactic in Melbourne now?
Illustrious Blue apparently is coming.
AQIS effectively is the Government, it’s been rubber stamped.
In fact, I fielded a couple of calls from the Department of Agriculture, Forestry and Fisheries this afternoon, and it’s been 100% approved.
Phar Lap rated best Melbourne Cup winner
WILL BRODIE
July 28, 2010 – 1:38PMLegendary racehorse Phar Lap has been given top weight of 60 kilograms in a fictional field for the greatest ever Melbourne Cup. The VRC is labelling the hypothetical race "The Greatest Cup Never Run".
The field will ‘race’ against each other in a digital simulation on Melbourne Cup day this year to decide the crown of the greatest Melbourne Cup champion of all time.
Racing Victoria’s chief handicapper Greg Carpenter rated his top 24 horses and gave the 1930 winner the honour of the number one saddlecloth ahead of Carbine (59kg) who won in 1890. A panel of 22 racing experts will assess the field and determine the outcome of the hypothetical race.
Three-time winner Makybe Diva (2003-2005) and Peter Pan (1932) received 58 kilograms.
The field was unveiled at a function to launch glossy tome The Story of the Melbourne Cup, Australia’s Greatest Race at the Melbourne museum on Wednesday to celebrate this year’s 150th running of Australia’s most famous race. Luminaries in attendance included the Premier, John Brumby, and racing identities Glen Boss and Roy Higgins.
Greatest Cup never run: the field
NO HORSE NAME TRAINER JOCKEY BARRIER WEIGHT
1 PHAR LAP Harry Telford Jim Pike (21) 60kg
2 CARBINE Walter Hickenbotham Bob Ramage (16) 59kg
3 MAKYBE DIVA Lee Freedman Glen Boss (14) 58kg
4 PETER PAN Frank McGrath Darby Munro (13) 58kg
5 GALILEE Bart Cummings John Miller (1) 57.5kg
6 POSEIDON Ike Earnshaw Tom Clayton (3) 57.5kg
7 RISING FAST Ivan Tucker Jack Purtell (11) 57kg
8 RAIN LOVER Mick Robins Jim Johnson (7) 56kg
9 COMIC COURT Jim Cummings Pat Glennon (24) 55.5kg
10 GRAND FLANEUR Tom Brown Tom Hales (4) 55.5kg
11 MIGHT AND POWER Jack Denham Jim Cassidy (12) 55kg
12 ARCHER Etienne De Mestre Johnny Cutts (22) 54kg
13 VINTAGE CROP Dermot Weld Mick Kinane (10) 54kg
14 DELTA Maurice McCarten Neville Sellwood (9) 53.5kg
15 MALUA Isaac Foulsham Alick Robertson (17) 53.5kg
16 NIGHTMARCH Alex McAulay Roy Reed (5) 53.5kg
17 POITREL Harry Robinson Ken Bracken (20) 53.5kg
18 SAINTLY Bart Cummings Darren Beadman (2) 53kg
19 THE BARB John Tait William Davis (18) 53kg
20 DALRAY Clarrie McCarthy Bill Williamson (19) 52.5kg
21 HALL MARK Jack Holt Jack O’Sullivan (23) 52.5kg
22 LIGHT FINGERS Bart Cummings Roy Higgins (15) 52.5kg
23 DORIEMUS Lee Freedman Damien Oliver (6) 52kg
24 THINK BIG Bart Cummings Harry White (8) 52kgBeing a European front runner isn’t always a bad thing, if they ride them correctly. Look at Give the Slip.
If there is a slow pace on, ride like they do in England. Probably start 5 or 6 lengths back (even if wide), then slowly accelerate towards the leaders.
This approach worked wonders for Persian Punch.
If there is a fast pace, just settle off the leader.
Yeah, I don’t mind Moudre, I can think of worse horses who have scraped into a Melbourne Cup.
And just personally, I reckon Metal Bender will run in both the Caulfield Cup and Cox Plate. And he can win both.
It’s not unprecendented. Horses use to do it all the time.
Predatory Pricer was going to run in both last year, but injured himself in the Caulfield Cup.
Maldivian won the Cox Plate after running 12th in the Caulfield Cup.
Elvstroem started second favourite in the Cox Plate a week after beating Makybe Diva in the Caulfield Cup, but he missed the start and had no hope after that.
Fields of Omagh finished 5th in the great Cox Plate of 2002 after running 2nd in the Caulfield Cup.
Northerly did the double in 2002.
It wouldn’t surprise me to see Metal Bender in all three legs – Caulfield Cup, Cox Plate, Melbourne Cup.
And I can’t wait for this weekend, the first trickle of spring racing!
Possible Cup horses this weekend include Brightnight, Breccia, Shoot Out, Gorky Park, Fairygem, Fast Future, Moatize, Precedence, Douro Valley and Apprehend.
Of those, you’d say that the three most likely to make it are Shoot Out, Moatize and Precedence. If Gorky Park comes back well, add him too. Brightnight could improve, Douro Valley is well past it, don’t know if Apprehend or Fast Future are good enough, and Fairygem needs it wet.
The Miniver Rose had what I thought was a decent trial this morning at Geelong.
Only a two horse trial, I reckon the winner (Moudre) may also be on a Cups campaign.
I know it was a Series Final that Rundle won, but I think it was open to all 3yos. If you had run in the Series and accrued points, I think that you received precedence at the ballot?
I’m not quite sure, but I think he’d be qualified.
I’ve gone through Godolphin’s possibles Gerald, as I’m sure you would see. Not sure if they’ll come this year, if they do I reckon Whispering Gallery is the one.
I have to say, I’m glad Efficient isn’t qualified, as it means we’ll have to see more of him. He’ll probably have to run in the Caulfield Cup to qualify.
There are some nice horses there, I can’t see it not being a good Melbourne Cup.
32 Squamosa = very nice.
I was at Newcastle today (my first horse ran a disappointing 10th) and Just A Blaze was gone a long way from home.
Forgot to tell you Gerald – I received an email from Harry Herbert. He ain’t coming this year, but they are extremely keen for next year.
Or did I tell you? I can’t remember.
Re: the Macau gallopers
I believe one is Luen Yat Forever, winner of the Macau Triple Crown. Don’t know about the other one/s.
Snowden looking forward to Spring Carnival
Leading Sydney trainer Peter Snowden is excited to discover what the spring has in store.
Snowden, who trains for Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid al Maktoum’s Darley outfit, has six or seven horses that he believes can measure up in the spring.
Daily Telegraph racing editor Ray Thomas spoke to Snowden about his spring team.
Group 1 South Australian Derby winner Kidnapped is head of the team, with the Melbourne Cup a logical target.
“He is a far better horse the Melbourne way, he gets all tangled up in his action going the Sydney direction,” Snowden said.
“He’s gone straight to our Melbourne stables and he will be aimed at the Cups.”
Dual Group 1 winner Purple has enjoyed a good spell.
“She will bounce back in the spring.”
“I don’t know about a Cups campaign but we will just see how she is going and find the right races for her.”
Lightly raced colt Demerit is heading the right way after a decent spell.
He has had only six starts, with a win in last year’s Caulfield Guineas Prelude (1400m) and a third in the weight for age Canterbury Stakes (1300m) his most notable results.
Classy mare Beaded had a Queensland winter campaign, and will only have a light spring preparation.
“She warms the heart because she tries so hard and I would love to see her win a good race,” Snowden said.
Snowden believes the enigmatic Drumbeats is set to reach his full potential this campaign.
“We have always held a good opinion of him.”
“The Epsom looks right up his alley, and then maybe Melbourne again.”
Rounding out Snowden’s main hopes is juvenile Skilled, who demonstrated he was one of the top two year olds of the 2009-10 season with a very close second in the Group 1 AJC Sires Produce Stakes (1400m) before a dominant victory in the Group 1 Champagne Stakes (1600m).
“He has gone within an inch of being champion two year old.”
“We are aiming him at the Caulfield Guineas.”
Of course, Snowden hopes that one of his many horses may emerge as a spring carnival contender in the next few weeks.
Written by Andrew Hawkins
Carl is a friend of mine – he was the first person I talked to at TBV Gerald, so I always read his articles.
More news – six Lloyd Williams gallopers had a trial yesterday between races at Bendigo.
They were Alandi, Mourayan (don’t know what the rumour was there, perhaps it WAS true that Mourilyan has died), Grand Ducal, Efficient (please, please be alright on Tuesday November 2), Linton, and perhaps most intriguingly, C’est La Guerre.
I say CLG is intriguing because I thought he had left the Williams stables to go back to NZ
