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"Aaron, whether the existences of the majority of small stakes punters is perceived as hum drum or not is not the point. "
Then why mention it in the first place ?
"UK Racing Forums are filled with people like you who put themsleves up as a virtual bodyguard for racing’s journalistic community."
Where exactly have I took the bullet for racing’s journalistic community ?
"My guess is yourself and Grasshopper work in the media or worse still are media wannabes"
Maybe a media wannabe but I’d need to know what the money is like, which as it happens I’ve asked you already as you "know" they get good money. My guess is you work in the Government , thats where the do gooders tend to end up.
Mansun
Excuse me ? You started it, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah !
You wrote "I think people who need to be insulting towards the common man in the street who is trying to make his hum drum existence a bit more bearable are very sick indeed."
I find that insulting. I am your common man in the street who visits betting shops regularly but I don’t perceive myself to have a hum-drum existence, bearable or not. I do it because I enjoy it"
The last thing betting shop punters need is someone telling them that racing is indebted to them, what they want is the winner of the 2.30.
You also wrote "Finally, you seem to imply my life is hum drum hence I post on this site"
What I actually wrote was "Maybe this subject is making someones hum drum existence more bearable ?" the important word being "subject".
This was in reply to your insinuation that as a betting shop punter I had a hum-drum existence.
Tit for tat on my part I agree, take it for granted that I am now sat on the naughty step with the prospect of no tea.
Mansun
I’ll tell you whats flabbergasting. It’s some do gooder coming on here telling us they know whats best for the great unwashed betting shop punters, of which I am one. There is no bigger insult than that.
Maybe this subject is making someones hum drum existence more bearable ?
Cheers Max
I am at work so didn’t get to see the race, the Sporting Life says plenty to do 2f out, strong run to take 3rd near finish. Still I was on EW at 33/1 so musn’t grumble.
Can’t seem to quite workout Kempton yet as the following will probably prove but I will give it a try as Southwell looks like a favourites day.
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Not a lot to go on, Busy Man seems to run well at Kempton and its LTO run would give him a decent chance.
Megalala ran OK in October finishing 2nd to Bridegwater Boys at Brighton though is unplaced in 9 attempts on the AW. Salvestro winless after 35 races, and I can’t find any reason why think that will change today.
Ponte Vecchio has bits of form and at least seems reasonably consistent, its run LTO behind Lordswood is possibly the best recent form on offer.
The likely favourite Straight Face has plummeted in the ratings and didn’t perform when favourite LTO, can’t have it.The one that interests me at 33/1 is Ernmoor. Its race over C&D in November was run in a decent time with Granary Girl, the forecast favourite later today for a class 6 hcap about 4 lengths in front.
So small stakes EW Ernmoor for me
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Compton Classic won nicely over C&D in a claimer in November but has struggled in hcaps lately. Maybe better suited to 5F as well.
Dvinsky won well over C&D in Dec and should ensure a decent pace. Some strong contenders like coming off the pace in this race so will probably find one or two too good for it today
Hucking Hill seems to have struggled a bit since winning over C&D in 2006. Behind Hythe Bay LTO and no reason to assume any different today.
Hythe Bay ran a little better at the weekend but an overall record of 1 win in 23, nought from 10 on the AW seems to suggest a win is unlikely.
Monashee Prince has won at both lingfield & Wolves in the last three months and has steadily risen as a result.Unplaced the last twice over C&D although both races were fast times. Likely to get a good pace although could have been better drawn.
Arfinnit won well from the front LTO after getting away on level terms. Would be danger if doing so again however does have a tendency to be slow away on occasion.
Perlachy has been running well at Wolves recently and does have course form from October. Only just broke his maiden status but I can it be challenging for a place
Muktasb is running well at present. As the RP states taking his riders allowance in to consideration is 2lb better in than LTO and looks likely to get the decent pace it needs.
Inka Dancer has yet to win on the AW in nine attempts and might have given Dvinsky a tougher time LTO if run was made earlier. Overall form not good enough for me however.Muktasb could be hard to beat with a clear run but I’m going to plump for Monashee Prince. Not ideally drawn but does need to come from behind so stall 2 not so much of an inconvenience. Its C&D runs recently as mentioned wer in decent times so at 16/1 I’ll take a chance. Perlachy might squeak second for a bumper Exacta !
Mansun
"However it is the small punters amalgamated wagering that pumps millions into racing and keeps the show on the road. "
Amalgamated small losing punters I think you’ll find help keep the show on the road.
"These people are paid good money and should be monitored and if they come up short sacked. "
I’m interested, how much is good money ?
"You say how do you regulate this? Easy. If you or I want to run a tipping line and advertise in the RP we need to proof the tips before we are allowed to enter an ad."
Has the RP changed its rules. Surely Thommo wouldn’t be allowed advertising space or does he not advertise any more.
"I grew up betting in betting shops, and I am proud of that fact. I dont hate the people who frequent them, and still have fond memories of many of the characters I met in those shops. Why people like you, Clivex and many others have a problem with these folk is beyond me."
I think most people "grew up" in betting shops and I still frequent them on a regular basis and yes some people follow certain tipsters but i find they are more likely to follow tips from a national newspaper than the RP. Regardless of that it is a choice they make and I find that most have the intelligence to realise that or are you insinuating otherwise ?
Max
Very poor at Wolverhampton last night, you were better off doing something else. I’ll take the hint next time.
Arazi
What a great series you put up starting with Persian War in 1970. I had seen most of the clips at one point or another with the exception of the Golden Cygnet run. What might have been had he not fatally fell in the Scottish Champion Hurdle. I was looking through my Dads old Cheltenham racecards with him a few months ago and came upon the race in question and my Dad who was there said he’d rarely seen an easier Cheltenham winner. Looking at the clip he wasn’t wrong !
Max
Are Wolverhampton currently treating the course with something to prevent it balling on the horses hooves when it gets near freezing temperatures. I think this is why they have missed a couple of Monday meetings recently. I just thought this may be the reason trainers were not using it as much at present. With regard to the previous work I have to say that since the surface has slowed down my success rate has gone up. Last night was the first time I have had a meaningful loss at Wolverhampton for quite a while.
I do agree with you with regard to the amount of AW racing at present with yesterdays 3 meetings a bit of a nonsense. I’m not sufficiently knowledgeable on the liquidity of the markets however I guess if there are only four or maybe five bookies there on course ( because of the small crowds ? ) there isn’t going to be the opportunity to win any substantial amounts and any prices are all too easily manipulated maybe ?
Don’t have time to write analysis with regard to tonight but even with the small fields I shall have a go with Fizzlephut, Dancing Deano & Marino Prince.
Max
I may have been right about Prime Recreation but as for the rest, hopeless. I am due to go to Wolverhampton next week but I notice the field sizes seem to be very small at present so I might not bother. Is it because of the work they’re doing to the surface do you think ?
Last one today, promise
Had a further look at Wolverhampton tonight at the 7.50
Rich Kid – 2nd in a claimer last time out after a short break (won off 65 at Leicester before) beaten a length at odds on. Struck over the face by rivals whip and not too bad an effort I think.
Bookish – Won a nursery LTO albeit in a modest time at Kempton. Wolverhampton a different kettle of fish although trainer has a decent strike rate at course but that will be reflected in its price.
Feeling Fresh – Won well over 6 furlongs at Wolves in Dec, but struggled a bit off 64 next time. Ran badly when tackling distances over 6f previously.
Moonlitesilhouette – Gradually improving Irish raider who was finishing well over 6F LTO. Wouldn’t rule out improvement over this extra furlong.
Bury Treasure – Not too much to show for three outings last year.
Yattendon – Ran well over 6F in early December before shocking performance over C&D LTO.
I would narrow it down to Rich Kid & Moonlitesilhouette with preference for the former who at least has a half decent run over C&D to its name with two of the horses behind it running creditably since.
Max
A compelling case for Prime Recreation which makes my
"Prime Recreation is a light of his former self and would be surprised if he troubled these." look a little dismissive. As you say lets hope one of us is right.Should be working but currently having a look at Lingfield.
The 1.50 looks interesting. What Do You Know should get an uncontested lead and if fit could make them all go, however has been off the track for a while and with 4 C&D winners in the race will passover today. Of the 4 C&D winners , Quality Street has also been off a few months and usually needs a run before winning so that leaves Louphole, Benllech & No Time. Louphole apparently needs a good pace which he may get from WDYK but I’m not sure a small field will suit. No Time was behind Louphole last time but I fancy he may be able to reverse the form back at Lingfield where he has run his best races recently. The one I like the look though is Benllech who won in a fair time LTO beating some higher rated horses going away. If reproducing that form I think he will win well. No Time for the exacta.
Had a look at tomorrows meeting at Wolverhampton and don’t really like much so I’ll concentrate on the worst race on the card the 650.
Ask No More seems to be prominent over further and yet finished well the only time it tried 5F at Southwell. However racing at this level for the first time.
Blushing Russian ran OK last time out at Kempton and was a C&D winner last January off 46. Stable however hasn’t had an AW winner since August last year.
Borzoi Maestro C&D winner in April 07 but hasn’t been sighted since including being thumped in this class LTO
Dodaa ran reasonably well LTO over C&D and wouldn’t be far away if reproducing that. Both wins however have been at Southwell.
Dottys Daughter looks on the downgrade and a better run at Kempton last time though maybe not enough to suggest a likely win
Is Mise An Ri doesnt look good enough even in this grade
Mind That Fox ran 4th over C&D last Sept and most of its best runs have been over C&D. Not been placed in 20 runs however
Mujart won off 50 at Leicester in the summer but its latest races are poor
Orchestration has been reasonably consistent of late and was a C&D winner off 47 last February.
Prime Recreation is a light of his former self and would be surprised if he troubled these.
She’s Our Beauty doesn’t seem to like Wolverhampton
Stoneacre Donny finished just ahead of Dodaa last time and like Dodaa wouldn’t be far away if reproducing that. The draw doesn’t help however
Tibinta is reasonably consistent but has yet to win after 20 startsAll in all a pretty poor lot. Orchestration could go close as could Stoneacre Donny but (and I can’t quite believe I’m actually typing this ) I am going to suggest Mind That Fox to small stakes EW. Its time behind Mickleberry in September is comparable to any C&D form from anything else in the last six months so I shall be looking for decents odds on Betfair tomorrow. I might just do a combination exacta with Orchestration & Stoneacre Donny also.
KT
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Thanks Max & NV,
I don’t normally do very well at Southwell but Inontime let me down for a treble with Starcross Maid & Sweet Pickle, but hey, musn’t be greedy.
For some reason I tend to well at Wolverhampton, OK at Lingfield, seem to be getting the hang of Southwell but Kempton remains a mystery to me for some reason.
Apologies for the brief analysis of the runners as I know it would be good to go in to a bit more detail but I’m at work !
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Chiff Chaff – Bits and pieces of form on AW but poor run LTO. Market confidence may be best guide.
Starcross Maid – Won over C&D in May off 53. Poor last few runs but now down to 51.
Boppys Pride – Not convinced AW suits and well stuffed both tries previously at Southwell albeit over shorter
Don Pasquale – Not won in 21 tries on the AW although has run well at Southwell. Not for me
Granary Girl – Reasonably consistent though like BP well stuffed both tries previously at Southwell albeit over shorter
Danelor – Not what he was but does have C&D form over last 12 months winning off 46 in Feb. Better run LTO and stable in form.
Sorbiesharry – On a long losing streak and never won over this far. Can’t see it starting today.
Mi Odds – Running on favoured surface but in decline and on a long losing run.Not the greatest race in the world but maybe an opportunity for a nice priced winner. For me I have narrowed it down to Chiff Chaff, Starcross Maid, Granary Girl & Danelor. Although it was early in her career I am discarding Granary Girl on grounds of poor runs at Southwell. Chiff Chaff is also discarded as I would like to see a good run from new trainer before considering although having said that if there is any market confidence that might change things. That leaves Danelor & Starcross Maid. Danelor should be the one after his better effort last time and his C&D form however if I can get 12/1 for Starcross Maid I think I might take a chance on this one coming back to form off an official mark of 51 less his claimers 3lb allowance.
So its 12/1 or greater Starcross Maid