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Fist,
Without wishing to sound disrespectful, I don’t think you can compare the late Freddie Williams vs J P, or Terry Ramsden, to the struggles of trying to get a couple of hundred on one at a price at a bog-standard meeting.
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Walk into any high street bookmakers in the UK unknow and try and get 200 quid at a board price of say 16/1 you might, with most of them, get 30-50 quid on and the rest at SP. I fully understand that but if you can go to the bookies and afford to lose 200 quid why would you not go racing?
It’s not that long since I was in the UK and I could get 200 quid on at courses such as Ayr Hexam, Sedgfield at 16/1 in no time. Doing so isn’t a bad days wages if it wins.
The chances are the 200 quid you put on is back at the course making money for the bookie when it should be making money for you.
If you can’t get 5 or 6k on at the principle meeting on a Saturday on a 5/1 shot and average 4’s then your moving too slow and should buy roller skates
Reet
I’m not an arber but as I’ve said, my edge is in beating SP by taking early prices.
My winners with Billy Hills since January were
Irish Raptor 14-1 (SP 8-1)
Walkon 11-4 (SP 2-1)
Bella Mana Mou 16-1 (SP 12-1)
Big Bucks 6-1 (SP 6-1)
Wichita Lineman ante post 20-1 (SP 5-1)
Tusculum (backed at SP by mistake, 8-11).I don’t know if they were top price any of those or if you can see an arber-like pattern, I certainly can’t.
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I’m not an arber but as I’ve said, my edge is in beating SP by taking early prices.
My winners with Billy Hills since January were
Irish Raptor 14-1 (SP 8-1)
Walkon 11-4 (SP 2-1)
Bella Mana Mou 16-1 (SP 12-1)
Big Bucks 6-1 (SP 6-1)
Wichita Lineman ante post 20-1 (SP 5-1)
Tusculum (backed at SP by mistake, 8-11).I don’t know if they were top price any of those or if you can see an arber-like pattern, I certainly can’t.
Maybe not Carv, but certainly, with one possible exception, there is no way they could have covered their liabilities on any of the bets, whereas you could have turned a profit on trading them? 5 bets to take out c6k in less than a 4 week period tells its own story too.
TDK has a point in that Patrick Veitch was able to get his bets on, though probably more important was the bookies didn’t know whose money it was. At least you can take heart from Seagull’s missive on Mike Quigley, in that he was closed down by the same bookmaker (Corals)on 4 separate occasions.
Alex (Macbet) retired in 2003 that’s only 6 years ago and things haven’t changed that much.
In no way do I mean to be disrespectful but is it possible you have never had a big bet at the track and are guessing?
In 2002 the same man laid me a very large bet on a horse of Lenny Lungo’s and did so with a smile on his face. Won the Pertemps damned if I can remember it’s name.
Freddie Williams laid AP mcMaunus 2 bets that took a million quid out the ring in 2006
They used to say if Terry Ramsden lost 2 mil in a week that was a good week.
Man could get anything on but was a woeful punter.There are still plenty rails and on course bookmakers who will lay plenty. Ask Harry Findlay who took an absolute fortune out the ring when Denman won the Royal & Sun Alliance Chase and took even more out when he won the Gold Cup.
You can get plenty on at the likes of Ayr is the first race on a Monday just don’t expect to get paid out until after the last or the following day
Your talking high street accountants Smithy and every day punters not real bookies and faces.
Freetown is the horse you’re thinking of I believe.
Working on one of the red-tops we get these bookie stories practically every day. There’s never any proof but they often get used. I seem to remember The Sportsman made one their splash on day one.
For example, here’s one we received today. I’m not saying it’s untrue but how would you check? Wonder if anyone will use this?Graham Sharpe, William Hill Press Office
•100 000 snooker china crisis?
Graham Sharpe, William Hill Press Office WHAT’S UP DOC? BOOKIES FEAR CHINA CRISIS
A CHINESE snooker fan who took a bet at odds of 500/1 with William Hill twelve years ago that a Chinese born player would win the World Snooker title before the year 2010 stands to win •100,000 if either Ding Junhui or Liang Wenbo – who play each other on Monday- can win the title this year. But the bookies wonder whether the mystery punter – a doctor – will be able to collect his winnings, as they have not heard a word from him since he placed the bet on May 31, 1997. The man wrote to us in May 1997 making the request for the bet, which he then struck to the tune of •200 at 500/1 odds – as there were no world-ranked Chinese players then – with potential winnings of •100,000 – yet we have never heard a word from him since, and have no idea whether he still lives at the address he gave us’ said Hill’s spokesman Graham Sharpe.As a snooker fan I would say this bet is true. Its been well known within the snooker game for years that the far east is the coming nation of snooker. And I presume that man is busy laying off that £200 on Ding Junhui as we speak!!!
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Alex (Macbet) retired in 2003 that’s only 6 years ago and things haven’t changed that much.
In no way do I mean to be disrespectful but is it possible you have never had a big bet at the track and are guessing?
In 2002 the same man laid me a very large bet on a horse of Lenny Lungo’s and did so with a smile on his face. Won the Pertemps damned if I can remember it’s name.
Freddie Williams laid AP mcMaunus 2 bets that took a million quid out the ring in 2006
They used to say if Terry Ramsden lost 2 mil in a week that was a good week.
Man could get anything on but was a woeful punter.There are still plenty rails and on course bookmakers who will lay plenty. Ask Harry Findlay who took an absolute fortune out the ring when Denman won the Royal & Sun Alliance Chase and took even more out when he won the Gold Cup.
You can get plenty on at the likes of Ayr is the first race on a Monday just don’t expect to get paid out until after the last or the following day
Your talking high street accountants Smithy and every day punters not real bookies and faces.
Freetown is the horse you’re thinking of I believe.
Spot on thanks, old age doesn’t come itself
Of course we have "the best bookmakers in the world".
In almost every other country they are put in jail when caught.…and the Curacao bookies, the Benidorm bookies, the school playground bookies…….
Is a tote monopoly the answer Zorro? It’s amazing how much a part ‘getting bets down’ plays in this country in a gambler’s ultimate success. Maybe you wouldn’t have horses like Exponential finding five stone improvement under a tote monopoly. Just please don’t let it be a totesport monopoly.
Got the Spanish archer from Victor Chandler tonight after burgling 14-1 Jealous Again just after the other Wesley Ward horse won. Done very crudely, just locked out online and had to ring up to find out what money was owed and what bets are outstanding. Paddy Power won’t lay me guaranteed odds from the end of June and half me on everything.
Ironically all this after the worst 6 weeks (up to Ascot) in several years.
Anyone want to be an agent?Make the most of your last couple of weeks with PP, carvillshill.
I’d take evens that your account with them is closed outright by the end of the Flat season.
I had my account with Chandler pulled right in the middle of the Paddy Power meeting in November. I just got a message saying "your account details have not been recognised". The bugger was that I was trying to have a decent lump on Joe Lively at the time. I’m told they have pulled the plug on almost all winning accounts since then. I tried Paddy Power immediately afterwards, but getting knocked back to 12p isn’t my idea of a good time. Despite eschewing "hot" horses, rarely backing in bad each way races and limiting 98% of my turnover to the last couple of minutes before the off, I’m unable to get more than £5 on with all but one oddschecker listed bookmaker. I’m saving that one.
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