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A good rider on certainties, it seems.
With the obvious exception of Ho Mike of course. I’d be interested to see his statistics for favourites this year.
Couldn’t have Dettori. Has always blown hot and cold for me.
Judging by this headline from the RP site today, some trainers don’t have much faith in him either…
Firenze<br>Frankie Dettori has been booked by James Fanshawe to ride mare in the Stewards’ Cup
(Edited by non vintage at 9:07 pm on July 21, 2006)
Quote: from Ardross on 9:13 pm on July 18, 2006[br]Doris Day could outride Lisa Jones too.
Gianfranco Dettori – don’t make me laugh – his son is 10 times better .
(Edited by Ardross at 9:14 pm on July 18, 2006)<br>
Any opinion on Wally or walter swinburn?
SHL
Quote: from non vintage on 9:07 pm on July 21, 2006[br]Couldn’t have Dettori. Has always blown hot and cold for me.
Judging by this headline from the RP site today, some trainers don’t have much faith in him either…
Firenze<br>Frankie Dettori has been booked by James Fanshawe to ride mare in the Stewards’ Cup
(Edited by non vintage at 9:07 pm on July 21, 2006)<br>
It would have nothing to do with Spencer being suspended for the meeting would it? Considering that Spencer is virtually stable jockey to Fanshawe this year, I think that post is rather wide of the mark.
davidjohnson,
i don’t understand what you mean. i just thought it was a badly written headline – he might indeed ride a ‘mare’ (again) was my thinking.
what did you think i meant? i was just attempting humour, badly.
There is a debate on who was the best flat Jockey in history.on the other Forum.
Piggott v Falon caused more than a little interest however<br>I fell that Gorden Richards even with his light weight requires recognition,
I then glanced at the history of Fred Archer and I beleave that considering the short time he rode he was Brilliant. and a very sad end to his life.
Perhaps others can give there oppinion of the subject.
Cubone
I’m not qualified to say. But in the days when Andre Fabre was willing to talk to me he told me Piggott was the best he’d seen, and his judgement’s probably quite good.
Archer rose his first winner at 14 in a 3 mile cahes at Bangor,
Then Rose 2.748 winners on the flat out of 8004 Mounts.
No planes no Cars No Night Racing or Sundays.
Cubone
Fabre prob never saw Gorden Richards very much and certainly never saw Archer.
Cubone:biggrin:
This is the problem with the question, how can you compare eggs and onions.
Racing was presumably very different in Archer’s time to racing when Richards and Piggott were riding.
Colin
Only those forumites over the age of 150 could form an objective opinion.
FWIW my top four would be Archer, Richards, Piggott and Cauthen.
Richards had the priceless advantage of not having problems with his weight so perhaps on grounds of not having to struggle to reach the top he can be dismissed.
Archer and Cauthen gave up the unequal struggle whilst still in their pomp.
Piggott rode for 40+ years at two stone below his natural weight on his famous diet of "a cigar and dry retch" and had a riding style that no one could or possibly should have tried to emulate.
Despite these ‘handicaps’ he had great strength and/or finesse in the saddle, eclipsed his contemporaries (save for those few memorable years when Steve C was here) and provided spectacular, memorable entertainment with many a ride of jaw-dropping brilliance and intrigue, as well as having an almost ‘sixth sense’ of pace/time unequalled amongst European jockeys.
Top dog and a one-off.
I suppose you have to witness the different generations to say with any certitude one way or the other. Piggott would not get into my top ten because he was a tax cheat anda convicted criminal. Fallon wouldn’t make it because he’s a tactical dwarf.
Cauthen was the best I ever saw and, of the current generation, I reckon Dettori is very good. I can’t think of any others that stand out.
I could only form an opinion on what I have seen in my 41 mortal years. That would be Piggott, Cauthen and Shoemaker, in that order, are the best i’ve seen.<br>I also have no doubt that those who sing the praises of Archer and Richards are not exagerating their talents.
But Maurice, Cauthen was an Alcoholic surely that disqualifies him on your strict moral criteria.
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