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Steady, Gingertipster, no need to be so tetchy. Where, in my second post, did I say I didn’t mean what I said in the original?
And what is the exaggeration? I do believe (and I apologise if it’s too mainstream for you) that everything I said about Ballabriggs is the cold truth. I have enough experience of racehorses to believe that if he had been pushed on another 50 or 100 yards he would (literally) have dropped.
The fact that the general public have a view should not be sneered at, and if the more involved of us agree with that view, it doesn’t make us uninformed.
I never want to see another Ballabriggs episode, do you?
I hope this clarifies the matter. Joe.
Had we been informed as soon as the race had finished that the horses were going to be cooled down immediately after the race because of the heat it wouldn’t have been so alarming to those watching. When jockeys jump off horses as soon as they pull them up we always fear the worse. The whole raceday presentation was one lacking in information.
Steady, Gingertipster, no need to be so tetchy. Where, in my second post, did I say I didn’t mean what I said in the original?
And what is the exaggeration? I do believe (and I apologise if it’s too mainstream for you) that everything I said about Ballabriggs is the cold truth. I have enough experience of racehorses to believe that if he had been pushed on another 50 or 100 yards he would (literally) have dropped.
The fact that the general public have a view should not be sneered at, and if the more involved of us agree with that view, it doesn’t make us uninformed.
I never want to see another Ballabriggs episode, do you?
I hope this clarifies the matter. Joe.
It clarifies things. It clarifies that you’ve given an opinion based on very little. I’ll give you my opinion that you’re a fool to come to such a conclusion. You might think that harsh or "tetchy" Joe, but I am accusing you of something far less than you are accusing Jason Maguire.
I’ve said before that I don’t want to see rides like Jason Maguire’s on Ballabriggs again. Using the whip 16 times between the last fence and the line is too much. But for you to say he was close to colapse is a grosse exaggeration, no doubt fooled by the jockey dismounting. The same as every other horse in the race was dismounted. Are you an ex-News Of The World reader?
Putting 2 and 2 together and making 55 is stupid. I’ve seen tens of thousands of races and seen with my own eyes horses colapsing. He was tired, like any horse running 4 1/2 miles would be. I saw no "staggering". No signs of dehydration other than the horse being immediately dismounted which was explained immediately afterwards.Value Is EverythingGingertipster, no offence but you sound like an armchair punter to me, with your reference to tens of thousands of races (an exaggeration, surely?)
You clearly have never been within kicking distance of a live horse, which fact you reveal by your laughable, man-in-the-pub misreading of the Ballabriggs incident.
And please don’t make out that you’re a man in the know with your references to dismounting and water; these facilities were mentioned more than once in the BBC coverage of the meeting.
As for your snipe about Animal Aid, I don’t have any link to them or any other organisation of their type. I do, however, believe they have a valid point of view.
So do the BHA, because they understand that they represent a proportion of the public.
Get it?
Ruby Walsh interview with Nick Luck on RUK this evening
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Thanks as always
Steeplechasing
– really useful to be able to catch up with such absorbing thoughts as
Ruby Walsh
often brings to the table.
I was particularly struck by what Ruby has to say about the races themselves. He mirrors my own thoughts as I was watching the Yarmouth 2yo races yesterday, and adds weight to Sean Boyce’s
pensées
on how Racing will change if the new rules aren’t thrown out:
"This affair has dampened my enthusiasm for racing. It is now a watered down affair.
"I was watching the racing from Haydock and it looked like watching a schooling race with everyone pushing away with hands and heels. It didn’t look what it used to look like, as competitive or as thrilling."
"
Schooling ..
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not competitive or thrilling
" … Quite. Is that really what we want to see? Or what will excite punters to wager?
Interesting link, Steeplechasing. Ruby was setting out his stall for his appeal, I know, but his analysis of the slap down the shoulder was illuminating. The appeal panel won’t buy it though. They can’t afford to.
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Interesting link, Steeplechasing. Ruby was setting out his stall for his appeal, I know, but his analysis of the slap down the shoulder was illuminating. The appeal panel won’t buy it though. They can’t afford to.
The Appeal Panel might be instructed that they can’t afford
not
to.
I was particularly struck by what Ruby has to say about the races themselves. He mirrors my own thoughts as I was watching the Yarmouth 2yo races yesterday, and adds weight to Sean Boyce’s
pensées
on how Racing will change if the new rules aren’t thrown out:
"This affair has dampened my enthusiasm for racing. It is now a watered down affair.
"I was watching the racing from Haydock and it looked like watching a schooling race with everyone pushing away with hands and heels. It didn’t look what it used to look like, as competitive or as thrilling."
"
Schooling ..
." "
not competitive or thrilling
" … Quite. Is that really what we want to see? Or what will excite punters to wager?
Exactly what I thought as well, yet some jockeys were still done for their whip use trying to win at Haydock. Wonder how many jockeys the BHA/Stewards had in for not trying enough?
A non triers charter courtesy of Roy/Stier.[The Appeal Panel might be instructed that they can’t afford
not
to.
Pinza I doubt that as Mr Struthers keeps reminding us "The appeal panel are independent" and I keep reminding him they are paid by the BHA.
Anyone know has Graeme McPherson resigned from the rules committee as yet?
I see Eddie Ahern has just tweeted that he is about to announce some big news. Anyone know whether he’s going to be announcing a jockey’s strike?
Scratch that – he’s announced he’s got engaged
Haha, excellent!
How inconsiderate of Eddie not to supply is all with some ‘big’ juicy story on the whip rules!
BOTH jockeys involved in the jockey’s title race incurred whip bans today.
Both suspensions will start AFTER the end of the turf season.
More evidence, if any required, that winning is more important to the jockeys than doing so within the rules AND more evidence that penalties are too LENIENT rather than too harsh.
Corm . you have lost it dear boy , thats what competitive racing is all about , stop that and punters lose interest and or faith in the product as a betting medium
The punters pay for racing , take them away and you have none
will you please see the bigger picture
cheers
Ricky
There’s no reason why jockeys can’t stick to the rules and the racing still be ‘competitive’ and exciting with everyone trying as hard as they can WITHIN THE RULES to win.
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