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The jockeys point of view is fundamentally flawed. They still have the attitude of "What can we get away with" rather than "How can we adapt attitude to stay within the rules".
Before someone says the new rules were unworkable, their attitude to the rules has been the same for over 200 years.
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The jockeys point of view is fundamentally flawed. They still have the attitude of "What can we get away with" rather than "How can we adapt attitude to stay within the rules".
Before someone says the new rules were unworkable, their attitude to the rules has been the same for over 200 years.Never been
"in the zone"
,
EF
? You continue to attribute cunning motives to professionals who don’t think that way: isn’t it time you did them the courtesy of taking what they say a little more seriously? Otherwise you’ll never see it, and you’ll never understand.
The hallmark of a professional sportsperson is being able to keep their heads and perform at their best, maintaining control and peak performance, while
‘in the zone’
.
Are you saying our jockeys are incapable of such control Pinza?
Even "in the zone" under the old regulations, jockeys knew more often than not whether they had earned a holiday on a winning ride. Furthermore, because of the lenient nature of their punishment, they didn’t really bother to any great extent that they had transgressed.
I’m not saying that undoing 200 years of lip service to the rules will be easy, but that is the challenge.The jockeys point of view is fundamentally flawed. They still have the attitude of "What can we get away with" rather than "How can we adapt attitude to stay within the rules".
Before someone says the new rules were unworkable, their attitude to the rules has been the same for over 200 years.Never been
"in the zone"
,
EF
? You continue to attribute cunning motives to professionals who don’t think that way: isn’t it time you did them the courtesy of taking what they say a little more seriously? Otherwise you’ll never see it, and you’ll never understand.
I am not implying that a jockey goes out with a pre-meditated plan to break the rules. However, in their pre-race planning, adherence to the rules has never been given much thought because there hasn’t been sufficient stimulus to do so.
If two jockeys are neck and neck at the Cheltenham Festival and get to their whip limit…
Are they going to stop using it? Or hit the horse once more for a likely big pay day and just a two day holiday?
Is a 5 day holiday (without any financial penalty) sufficient deterrent to stop a jockey going two over the limit to win a Festival race?
If they’re going to bring penalties down, they should’ve done it on a sliding scale.
For
1 stroke Over the limit
may be:
2 days for going1
over in a race with poor prize money.
3 days with reasonable prize money.
4 days with good prize money.Doubled for second offence where the second infringement is in the particular grade. 4, 6 and 8 days.
Third offence 8, 12 and 16 days.Referred 4th offence.
Having said that, a reduction was needed and should be applauded. Just hope this hasn’t gone too far.
After every 100 days one 1 day ban is taken off any totting up procedure.
Value Is EverythingHave you never been "in the zone",
Paul
? Otherwise, I do not know how you can come out with such opaque misunderstanding of what
Racing Daily
is saying.
I have been "in the zone" many times Pinza and, trust me, in situations far more reachingly significant than anything a jockey would face and I made damned sure I NEVER made a silly mistake.
I understand fully the unambiguous point Racing Daily was making.
Mark , its a start though , maybe now jocks will start trying to keep onside
I have a feeling though we are not quite out of the water just yet
Ricky
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The hallmark of a professional sportsperson is being able to keep their heads and perform at their best, maintaining control and peak performance, while
‘in the zone’
.
Are you saying our jockeys are incapable of such control Pinza?
You said all that about four weeks ago, and it’s no more penetrating now than it was then. You are quite wrong,
Corm
, but I am not going to go round your island on this again. Try listening to the jockeys such as
Cauthen
, instead of talking at them. Exasperated by your chronic lack of empathy, I’m afraid….
I would have thought the BHA and PJA would have liked to put this issue to bed once and for all but K Darley’s statement suggests there is still a fair gap between both parties.
This issue will rumble on and on and it really is a joke that it takes the dawn of a major meeting for change to take place. I said a few weeks ago that once the bookies have there say then changes would be implemented. I’ve no doubt Paddy Power have had a word in the BHA’s ear as they simply don’t want their sponsored meeting overshadowed.
I wonder how Ruby Walsh is feeling. Correct me if wrong but has he not just served a five day ban which if the offence were to occur tomorrow would now result in a two day ban?
This is still not enough as the simple fact remains 8 times is neither acceptable or practical in long distance national hunt races.
It still wont work. The problem still remains. The BHA are idiots.
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Absolutely right. As
Greg Wood
‘s just tweeted, they’ve addressed everything except the one thing which needs addressing – the stroke counts (both flat and NH).
Don’t you think they should be able to exert that level of control Pinza?
It’s a straightforward question.
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Don’t you think they should be able to exert that level of control Pinza?
It’s a straightforward question.
No – there’s your straightforward answer (AGAIN!). They’ve got much less trivial nonsense than counting beans to think about in that moment, such as not getting killed, winning the race, riding the horse… how many more reasons do you need?
Corm , it hard to be dispassionate , thats for sure
The plain fact is its not over, ongoing talks , still a potential strike situation (although unlikely imo)..this issue has not been put to bed as yet
I think good progress has been made , the only issue now is a couple of more hits and then it will be settled
I fear your stake in the ground theory is in bad shape …
Amendment Mark 3 to follow , gosh Roy and Steir do look silly now , but no fear they are embedded …
Hopefully it can be sorted for good soon , as its bringing the game down
cheers
Ricky
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I think good progress has been made , the only issue now is a couple of more hits and then it will be settled
Well, then could try making them "guidelines" again.
And adding another dollop of this once-again admitted "discretion".
I see Donald McCain is tweeting, hopping mad because the stewards North of Uttoxeter are notoriously less flexible than their Southern counterparts. He sees this new amendment as dividing the country in two. Not a happy bunny. But then, who is?
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