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  • #20192
    Anonymous
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    http://www.britishhorseracing.presscent … s-230.aspx

    Headlines
    * Five days to two days for "one over the odds"
    * Group/Grade 1 exemptions reinstated for shorter bans
    * "Discretion" for stewards in enquiries to take safety and necessity into account

    Will this be enough??

    The statement by Paul Roy attached to today’s review, with its lecture on "behavioural change" still frankly reads as highly insulting to the jockeys. And of course, there’s no vestige of an apology to go along with this minor backtracking: rather, it’s all going marvellously well. That is, if Mr Roy is to be believed.

    #377123
    Anonymous
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    Kevin Darley

    has just stated that although these changes are a step in the right direction, the rules and penalties are still too strict. "Ongoing dialogue" will continue.

    #377124
    Racing Daily
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    Its still a draconian system that could see a jock banned for a whole month for four separate, minor taps down the shoulder in moments of forgetfulness.
    Is the jock meant to be trying to win, or learning his/her 1x table?
    If they were to make the ‘carry over’ period for totting up around two weeks then it would probably be doable. Or even to say that the ban is doubled if you do the same thing before your previous ban comes into effect? After that, it resets to 2 days again.

    #377125
    PompetePompete
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    A very sensible set of minor adjustments to the new rules which as the BHA have shown today are already beginning to work – so praise to the Jockeys as well.

    But, well done to the BHA who once again have shown themselves to be leaders in Responsible Regulation.

    (Not that cnut Roy tho)

    #377127
    Eclipse First
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    Its still a draconian system that could see a jock banned for a whole month for four separate, minor taps down the shoulder in moments of forgetfulness.
    Is the jock meant to be trying to win, or learning his/her 1x table?
    If they were to make the ‘carry over’ period for totting up around two weeks then it would probably be doable. Or even to say that the ban is doubled if you do the same thing before your previous ban comes into effect? After that, it resets to 2 days again.

    I’m sure the prospect of a month ban would help to eradicate "forgetfulness". The carry over period needs to be based on number of rides rather than time. As I stated previously a 99% compliance rate ought to mean that 99 rides should be a reasonable figure.

    #377128
    KenhKenh
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    Kevin Darley

    has just stated that although these changes are a step in the right direction, the rules and penalties are still too strict. "Ongoing dialogue" will continue.

    How anyone, including his members, can listen to anything he says defies believe.

    #377129
    yeatsyeats
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    A very sensible set of minor adjustments to the new rules which as the BHA have shown today are already beginning to work – so praise to the Jockeys as well.

    But, well done to the BHA who once again have shown themselves to be leaders in Responsible Regulation.

    (Not that cnut Roy tho)

    Well, as Roy is the leader who did you have in mind for your congratulations?

    How is it possible for anyone have confidence in the BHA to lead the sport? They have made complete mess of the whole thing and it’s amazing no one has resigned.

    #377130
    robnorthrobnorth
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    * "Discretion" for stewards in enquiries to take safety and necessity into account

    That one will be fun! :roll:

    Rob

    #377131
    KenhKenh
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    Its still a draconian system that could see a jock banned for a whole month for four separate, minor taps down the shoulder in moments of forgetfulness.
    Is the jock meant to be trying to win, or learning his/her 1x table?
    If they were to make the ‘carry over’ period for totting up around two weeks then it would probably be doable. Or even to say that the ban is doubled if you do the same thing before your previous ban comes into effect? After that, it resets to 2 days again.

    I’m sorry but thats ridiculous. They’ll just keep on breaking the rules. If they can’t learn by the fourth time they need help.

    #377132
    KenhKenh
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    A very sensible set of minor adjustments to the new rules which as the BHA have shown today are already beginning to work – so praise to the Jockeys as well.

    But, well done to the BHA who once again have shown themselves to be leaders in Responsible Regulation.

    (Not that cnut Roy tho)

    Well, as Roy is the leader who did you have in mind for your congratulations?

    How is it possible for anyone have confidence in the BHA to lead the sport? They have made complete mess of the whole thing and it’s amazing no one has resigned.

    Not forgetting to mention the jockeys and their association.

    #377136
    ricky lakericky lake
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    Question please

    Have the Jocks signed off on this , or are we still looking at the prospect of a strike

    thanks

    Ricky

    #377137
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    Its still a draconian system that could see a jock banned for a whole month for four separate, minor taps down the shoulder in moments of forgetfulness.
    Is the jock meant to be trying to win, or learning his/her 1x table?
    If they were to make the ‘carry over’ period for totting up around two weeks then it would probably be doable. Or even to say that the ban is doubled if you do the same thing before your previous ban comes into effect? After that, it resets to 2 days again.

    I’m sorry but thats ridiculous. They’ll just keep on breaking the rules. If they can’t learn by the fourth time they need help.

    It has nothing to do with learning. I do silly things sometimes that I know I shouldn’t have done, in the heat of the moment. Afterwards, I realise I shouldn’t have done that but that is still no guarantee that I wont do it again, in the heat of the moment.
    Its an unnecessary punishment for a nothing offence carried out in the heat of the moment.

    #377139
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    Have the Jocks signed off on this , or are we still looking at the prospect of a strike?

    Kevin Darley

    ‘s statement rather suggests that the PJA do not accept that this goes far enough to solve the problem, but that the "dialogue" will continue. I imagine that means no strikes, as yet.

    #377140
    Anonymous
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    A very sensible set of minor adjustments to the new rules which as the BHA have shown today are already beginning to work – so praise to the Jockeys as well.

    But, well done to the BHA who once again have shown themselves to be leaders in Responsible Regulation.

    Pompete

    , unless this is one of your exercises in cheekily blunt irony I am open-mouthed at your brazen ability to keep calling black white.

    Are you sure you’re not limbering up to take over from James Murdoch at

    News International

    ?

    ****

    recent quote from

    PADDY POWER

    :

    "As sponsors of the Paddy Power Gold Cup, the main race over the next three days at Cheltenham, we give a cautious welcome to these amendments on the eve of the first major meeting of the jumps season.

    "Recent suspensions to Ruby Walsh and Tony McCoy have served to highlight how unworkable the whip rules were. The absence of leading riders for minor violations is only to the detriment of the sport.

    "Therefore we applaud the common sense approach to allow Group/Grade 1 exemptions for whip suspensions of four days or less. Punters want the best jockeys to be riding in the best races."

    #377141
    paulostermeyerpaulostermeyer
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    It has nothing to do with learning. I do silly things sometimes that I know I shouldn’t have done, in the heat of the moment. Afterwards, I realise I shouldn’t have done that but that is still no guarantee that I wont do it again, in the heat of the moment.
    Its an unnecessary punishment for a nothing offence carried out in the heat of the moment.

    But jockeys keep telling us they are "professional and responsible" – if you are professional and responsible in your work you should not do "silly things" "in the heat of the moment" and if you do you should ensure you never do it a second time.

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