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Dettori doesnt conjour up the publicity he used to everyones seen the flying dismount and all the other gimmicks
An insta-poll amongst my (non-racing) female friends and relatives would suggest that Dettori’s appeal is undimmed. They all know he won the Derby, but they would never be able to name the horse. He has proven that it is possible to transcend from a racing celebrity to a genuine household name – ironically to his detriment amongst the racing fraternity. Just goes to show that what you are asking for (some kind of It-Jockey?) is not really desirable – surely good, honest, intelligent, successful jockeys who let their riding do the talking are better publicity for the sport than any number of footballer-style morons falling drunkenly over with the latest Page 3 girl?
just out of curiousity ask your same friends if they know who Ryan Moore, Jamie Spencer are and ask them to name a famous horse from the past 5 years see what the response is.
If i asked any of my non horsey friends who won the derby, or if i asked my mum who won the derby they wouldn’t hav a monkeys
all my friends know is that frankie dettori is the best looking one with the itallian accent which is just dissapointingThe only jockey my non-racing friends have heard of is Frankie Dettori. Even though he can’t uphold the media attention he received in the 90s, his name is still pretty much in people’s minds, especially since he won the Derby this year.
That said we still need someone to take over his mantle in future. Personality of course, is not everything, and neither are looks (not that many jockeys ever look anything apart from withered and pale!). But in today’s world outside of racing, they are. While some might say any publicity is better than none at all, I’d rather have a Dettori figure than a Fallon figure to keep racing in the headlines. It’s still always going to be a difficult task.
No offence Steve, but are you for real?
Why on earth does racing need a "star" jockey like Wayne Rooney? Why would anyone want to aspire to be like that waste of space, neanderthal thug? Why does racing need jockeys who get drunk, fall out of taxis, take x,y,z, screw around? Or actually, more to the point – as it cannot be refuted that many jocks do indeed do all those things anyway – why is it necessary that such exploits are plastered all over the News of the Screws of a Sunday morning?
I don’t believe it would make racing more popular – except maybe to those pikeys that the sport could do without anyway. Anyone been to Chepstow on Welsh National day? Anyone who has knows exactly what I’m talking about – what good are falling over, beer swilling morons for the sport?
"Come racing, come racing! You too could have a p*ssed lager lout slop half a pint of Carling down your front whilst yelling & spitting in your face…"
I can’t see why it really matters. Racing has its own community really its never going to be a sport where jockeys are household names.
Yes everyone has heard of Piggott, Carson, Dettori and possibly Fallon but they are exceptions what difference does it really make?
Ultimately its the horses that count – everyone has heard of Red Rum, Nijinsky, Desert Orchid.
What flat racing really needs more than anything is a legendary three year old that goes through his career unbeaten and never extended preferably a triple crown winner. That would be the best thing that could possibly happen to flat racing would create a legend and put the sport right under the media spotlight and take racings profile to a much higher level.
Frankies old hat as ive said he doesnt bring the sport the publicity he once did
Frankie has only ever been interested in one thing – i.e. popularising Frankie Dettori Ltd and little else. It can be argued that if racing has gained any publicity at all through him then it has been indirectly and not through design.
His antics following Authorized’s Derby win only help to exemplify this. It was all me, me, me. Peter Chapple-Hyam looked somewhat bemused by all the hype and attention Dettori was receiving. Yes, I know it was his first Derby success but it was all a bit OTT, you have to admit.
The truth is; his star has waned, and what’s more, he knows it. It is my opinion that he no longer has the drive and commitment he once had – which, all things considered, I suppose is understandable.
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Frankies old hat as ive said he doesnt bring the sport the publicity he once did
Frankie has only ever been interested in one thing – i.e. popularising Frankie Dettori Ltd and little else. It can be argued that if racing has gained any publicity at all through him then it has been indirectly and not through design.
His antics following Authorized’s Derby win only help to exemplify this. It was all me, me, me. Peter Chapple-Hyam looked somewhat bemused by all the hype and attention Dettori he was receiving. Yes, I know it was his first Derby success but it was all a bit OTT, you have to admit.
The truth is; his star has waned, and what’s more, he knows it. It is my opinion that he no longer has the drive and commitment he once had – which, all things considered, I suppose is understandable.
I agree. Whatsmore the medias Frankie obsession is sickenning. Who won the Derby Frankie or the horse? Poor Authorized barely got any attention from the BBC.
Dettori is interesting in promoting Dettori. Most of the time when he wins a big race I cringe because I know whats coming over the top Dettori worship, with him leaping off horses, spraying champagne around, kissing everybody in sight just basically overpowering the whole meeting.
To be honest he’s a good jockey but that is it he isn’t a great jockey, he isn’t the best of his profession by a long way. Personally I’d love him to retire the only thing that worries me is he’ll probably become a pundit then.
Perhaps sadly the most famous person or horse in racing currently is John McCririck. Most people would say Frnakie Dettori first probably or "that loud fat man from Channel 4 and big brother".
Sad to think hes more famous than most jockeys or horses
I’ll be honest. This ‘anti-Frankie’ nonsense really pisses me off.
The racing community always moan about the lack of a prominent personality in the sport. Frankie has done more for UK racing in the past 10 years than anyone – horse included. His contributions have put racing on the back, sometimes front pages of national newspapers and headlined evening news bulletins. In a sport that is, in my opinion, either shunned, lambasted or ignored by the general public, Dettori has been second to none in improving the image of this sport.
Some members on this forum seem to imply the motivation behind the big grin, charismatic gestures and happy-go-lucky attitude is self-promotion – I strongly disagree .
Unlike some jockeys, Frankie holds a deep, genuine affection for our equine friends – I’m sure Fujiyama Crest would agree. The hug he gave Authorized after his Juddmonte victory was quite moving.
Frankie’s rise to prominence in racing was due to his fantastic, unrivalled ability as a jockey. His unrivalled charisma has been the catalyst behind his advances outside of the sport.
Cheers, Frankie
Yes – no matter whether he’s out to promote himself or not, Dettori has done more for publicising British racing than anyone in recent years. Plenty of people know exactly who he is, which is surely the point?
Couldn’t agree more, Frankie’s been great for the sport, can’t understand the "problem" with him at all.
Yes, he can be a bit, or even a lot, over the top, but at least he looks like he enjoys what he does and he conveys that enthusiasm to the wider world.
Compare and contrast with monosyllabic mutterers like Pat Eddery, Mick Kinane or Ryan Moore.
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