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  • #19578
    TuffersTuffers
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    I’ve just established that for our 5yo 80 (on the AW) rated gelding, there isn’t a single 1m5f, 1m6f or 1m7f race for which he is eligible on the AW in this country between now and the end of the year.

    Ah ha! cry the anti-tariff brigade – you’ve just illustrated our point about the curse of the horseman’s group. You must sell your horse overseas as there are no opportunities here any more.

    So I checked out the programme for Dundalk. There are no races there either.

    So then I went on the France Galop site and checked the AW races there. Not a one for our animal.

    So where do you run an 80 rated AW stayer?

    #370199
    yeatsyeats
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    Who said this then? Only 2 days ago.

    "At the risk of repeating myself, the race programme is merely being adjusted to reflect the horse population"

    #370202
    Anonymous
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    Well,

    Tuffers

    … it’s not too late to supplement him for the

    Qipco British Champions Long Distance Cup

    (Group 3) which will cut up to nothing and would give you a lovely day out seeing

    Frankel

    for free, plus the chance of picking up a nice bit of black type.

    Seriously, I do sympathise. But if he’s ripe to run, wouldn’t this be the time to give him a couple of spins over 12F to get his handicap mark down a bit, ready for the New Year onslaught?

    Is this perhaps a case of your supply-and-demand chickens coming home to roost? If there were more horses in his class, specialising at his particular trip, then there’d be more races for them … wouldn’t there?? The fact that there are none in any other European countries rather backs that feeling up.

    #370208
    TuffersTuffers
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    Well,

    Tuffers

    … it’s not too late to supplement him for the

    Qipco British Champions Long Distance Cup

    (Group 3) which will cut up to nothing and would give you a lovely day out seeing

    Frankel

    for free, plus the chance of picking up a nice bit of black type.

    Seriously, I do sympathise. But if he’s ripe to run, wouldn’t this be the time to give him a couple of spins over 12F to get his handicap mark down a bit, ready for the New Year onslaught?

    Is this perhaps a case of your supply-and-demand chickens coming home to roost? If there were more horses in his class, specialising at his particular trip, then there’d be more races for them … wouldn’t there?? The fact that there are none in any other European countries rather backs that feeling up.

    I suspect the answer to the question I posed is "over hurdles" but I accept that there must be insufficient horses that fit that profile to justify framing races for them. That being the case, of course, it wouldn’t make sense for courses to put on races for that sort of horse, tariff or no tariff.

    #370213
    TuffersTuffers
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    Who said this then? Only 2 days ago.

    "At the risk of repeating myself, the race programme is merely being adjusted to reflect the horse population"

    And I stand by that, Yeats. So maybe, as Pinza says, there are quite simply not many horses that fall into that bracket so I would agree races shouldn’t be framed for them.

    #370221
    robnorthrobnorth
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    Tuffers

    You could always try to find at a shorter or longer distance than ideal…, and then have someone accuse you of ‘running it at an inappropriate distance’!

    Rob

    #370226
    graysonscolumngraysonscolumn
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    If he’s agreeable to it, would a possible suggestion for you be to chat with apracing on the matter, Tuffers?

    The quandary you’re facing, after all, bears similarities to the one Alan perpetually seemed to be facing with his own Flat stayer – and TRF favourite – Salute.

    That one spent most of his career on the level rated in the 70s to mid 80s, so not too far removed from your own charge, and was especially operative in whatever long-distance handicaps were programmed on the Polytrack.

    There weren’t many, and diversions into long-distance claimers did have to be resorted to on occasion. How readily that should be resorted to with an animal that’s about half the age now that Salute was when he last contested a claimer is something better brains than I would need to advise you on, e.g. re: whether there’d be a queue of connections wanting to wrest your charge from you the minute you entered him in any such race.

    I distinctly remember there being a thread precisely on the lack of opportunities for artificial surface stayers what must have been at least two years ago, though a site search on "Salute" (for I can’t imagine he wasn’t mentioned copiously therein!) a few minutes ago failed to dredge it up. Anyone else able to clap eyes on it, perhaps?

    gc

    PS Many thanks for your PM the other week, Tuffers, and apologies for the failure to respond so far – my mailboxes keep purporting to being too full to let me send a reply! I’ll be in touch as soon as I’ve nailed that particular problem. Cheers!

    The patron saint of lower-grade fare. A gently critical friend of point-to-pointing. Kindness is a political act.

    #370371
    TuffersTuffers
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    Thanks, Jeremy. We have spoken to Alan in the past and he’s always generous with his time and advice. I think a mix of turf handicaps and possibly the odd pattern novice hurdle :wink: might see us through until the middle of October.

    #370404
    stodge
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    I can only speak for Lingfield but races beyond 12 furlongs were few and far between during the winter. I well remember the "highlight" that was the 2-mile seller in February.

    One theory is that in order NOT to detract from the NH scene, the AW race planners deliberately choose not to put on races which might draw horses away from the NH environment during the winter.

    Potential NH horses won’t run over 6-10 furlongs so there’s no problem as these races are drawing from a different section of the horse population. It was perhaps considered that races over 12 furlongs+ would detract from the jumps.

    #370408
    JJMSportsJJMSports
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    You are best e-mailing Sir Mark Prescott! :D

    #370498
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    Here is Salute’s race record, primarily on the AW,

    http://www.racingpost.com/horses/horse_ … horse_form

    Whether these races still exist I don’t know

    #370509
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    It’s a pretty sad state of affairs, but realistically, as much as some of us love it, non-turf racing in the UK (and Ireland) is very much treated as the exception rather than the norm.

    With so few tracks and, during the summer at least, so few races on dirt or polytrack, it is inevitable that some decent horses who are specialist on these surfaces will find themselves lacking opportunities…

    Perhaps the answer would be the UK/Ireland and France to get together and organise some kind of AWT mini-festival over a couple of days towards the autumn which might have a few build-up races beforehand.

    I’d suggest the US as the obvious option, given the amount of polytrack installed over there, but anything over 1m1f is a bit of a rarity there, so that wouldn’t be any good either (and of course it doesn’t help you get to the races, which is presumably part of the point)…

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