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    Avatar photograysonscolumn
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    Nathan Hughes wrote:
    “The mere mention of Quixall Crossett and Sir Jeremy Grayson will be on the forum quicker than a Thursday night 5f F1 style tripe handicap run downhill with the jockeys holding sticks with tripe tied to the end of them and dangled in front of the horses nose”.

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    Ah, so this is the thread you PMd me on Facebook about, is it?

    Apologies for the sluggish response. If I’m honest I wasn’t 100% sure that TRF was still a thing, considering the extended period of time during the past few months in which every attempt to access the site via whichever browser resulted in some sort of crash, or else some sort of clickbait tat-selling site appearing on my screen instead. Glad it’s still alive, and evidently working again for me.

    Now, then, if there is any worshipping of Quixall Crossett to be done, stand aside and leave it to me :-)

    It’ll surprise few here that I’ve met Ted Caine of QC fame a few times during the course of the current pointing season, most recently at Easingwold a week last Sunday when Black Pepper Lady, a 16yo maiden homebred out of stable stalwart Cregg Rose, popped away beautifully for the first two thirds of the Bilsdale Members race before emptying out. Ever the optimist at 75 years of age, he’s called that it for this season now but would love to go close with a younger horse in a Yorkshire Area point race of any description next term.

    gc

    Adoptive father of two. The patron saint of lower-grade fare. A gently critical friend of point-to-pointing. Kindness is a political act.

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    Avatar photoGingertipster
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    Everyone is entitled to their view.
    But really comparing Mark Johnston and Mark Prescott to Sir Henry or M V O’Brien ?
    Eddery was a far superior jockey to Cauthen , despite what some on here believe, and to compare his achievements to Moore and Fallon , well , I am surprised. Just look at his career stats.
    I note that many of the top owners were competing to get Eddery’s services, even after the Wildenstein issue.
    In my view, this is currently, a pretty dire group of top jocks too, and my response over the trainer comparison, is mentioned above.
    Each to their own though.

    Oh, we all get the TWBWIWAL Disease “things were better when I were a la-a-a-d” hits us all from time to time. Are we talking about “characters/charisma” or pure “racing ability”? It seems often people confuse the two and punters personal biases shine (or rather fight their way) through. Didn’t get much more than “He’s a good horse” from Piggott; who rarely said anything of importance in public – but had his own lovable character. Carson said plenty and with a jovial outgoing personality that made people like him… M V O dominated Northern Dancer offspring in the same way as A P O dominates Galileo – something that undoubtedly helped both men.

    But if we are talking “superstars” purely on ability…
    For Sir Henry and M V O’Brien read Johnny G and A P O’Brien.
    BTW, totally disagree, Cauthen was superior to Eddery.
    In Piggott’s day (and to a degree Eddery) the overall standard of jockeyship (beyond the top two or three) was a lot worse than it is today. That is why trainers and owners craved their services and why they may have appeared superior to today’s top jocks. But for actual standard shown by Piggott and Cauthen in their eras are imo of similar standard to Dettori and Moore in theirs… And with the outlawing rat-a-tat-tat finishes… under today’s rules I’d have both Frankie and Ryan ahead of Lester and Pat any day (not Cauthen).

    But a big thing to understand is familiarity breeds contempt, two racing TV channels. Those we see every day are in our subconsciousness less likely to appear “superstars”. We need to fight our own biases… And year-long flat racing with the “all weather” means as a consequence few of us will look forward to the Lincoln meeting in the same way we once did. But these changes do give us more choice and most of us want/choose to see more of our sport.. so this TWBWIWAL syndrome is in some ways inevitable. However, personally – although when it first began I was sceptical – I believe Champions Day has been a great success. If I had my way it would mark the end of the official “season”, with later two year old races being in the next season.

    Each to their own though, Coggy. ;-)

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    Graysonscolumn wrote…

    “Apologies for the sluggish response. If I’m honest I wasn’t 100% sure that TRF was still a thing, considering the extended period of time during the past few months in which every attempt to access the site via whichever browser resulted in some sort of crash, or else some sort of clickbait tat-selling site appearing on my screen instead. Glad it’s still alive, and evidently working again for me.”

    How does anyone even contemplate going onto the internet these days without an ‘ad blocker’?

    If you use Google chrome as your browser, download “adblock +” for it. If you use another browser, use the appropriate ad blocker for the browser you use. They are all free, they will all remove every single advert, from every single page you visit on the internet.

    Currently, ad blocker is removing eight adverts from this page for me. I have a Racing Post page open, and it’s blocking fifty four adverts on a single page on there! Most of the bookies sites are full up with adverts too, they REALLY slow your computer down. You need ad blocker in your life :yahoo:

    https://adblockplus.org/

    #1354827
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    The hardware in question was absolutely gunwhaled with adblockers, trust me. No other site I was visiting then was exhibiting, or visit now exhibits, even the slightest similar symptom.

    I also ought to make clear that it wasn’t a case of ads appearing on top of the TRF site when attempting to access it – it was ads appearing instead of TRF.

    Either way, I can access the site again, though as had been the case for several years before the rammel was appearing instead, its response time is far slower than any other site I can think of. This is not a new issue – IIRC there have been complaints about response times from other users periodically over the years, some but not all coinciding with the latest reskinning of the site’s UI.

    Very small beer on the spectrum of global suffering, obviously, and nothing anywhere near as likely to dissuade me from posting more often again as intemporate or intolerant posters, but a curious state of affairs nonetheless.

    gc

    Adoptive father of two. The patron saint of lower-grade fare. A gently critical friend of point-to-pointing. Kindness is a political act.

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    Ah I see, apologies then. I’ve never had a problem viewing the site, and I viewed it for many years before I ever posted on here. I’ve used a Mac for ten years now approximately, I run Kapersky on it. For years before I had a Mac, I suffered similar to you on certain unsecured sites, running the same Kapersky for a lot of it too. Getting a Mac was the best thing I ever done regarding the internet. I have a website of my own which sells our products, but I’m a completely clueless ‘middle ager’ really when it comes to tech. Our web designers, and my twenty three year old son tell me what I need.

    I hope the site continues to run okay for you.

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    Great to have you back Jeremy, already making good contributions I see
    You got here in a similar pace to that of Quixall Crossett running a 6 mile race up hill all the way

    Blackbeard to conquer the World

    #1354869
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    Take a metaphor and run with it, eh, Nathan… :-)

    This is a temporary return, as I am off to Germany for a fortnight from Saturday morning and will be giving all things equine nary a thought. We’ll see what happens again after that.

    Is that Mr Klopp on your avatar, by the way? Will be lots of Germans rooting for Liverpool this weekend, I fancy, and not just my mum (who’s decided that as a practising Lutheran, he’s utterly beyond reproach).

    gc

    Adoptive father of two. The patron saint of lower-grade fare. A gently critical friend of point-to-pointing. Kindness is a political act.

    #1355002
    Avatar photoNathan Hughes
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    Indeed it is the charismatic Mr Klopp
    I think your mum is correct in her assessment :yes:

    Blackbeard to conquer the World

    #1355147
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    Normal service resumed; good to have you back gc! :yahoo:

    #1355561
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    Bless you, Moe, many thanks! Hopefully more of my gentle prodding of the sport and its stakeholders to follow – or else just more interminable droning on about 1980s/1990s permit-holders and low-grade yaks. Lassen wir uns überraschen…

    gc

    Adoptive father of two. The patron saint of lower-grade fare. A gently critical friend of point-to-pointing. Kindness is a political act.

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